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4 JAN 23 by
Usami
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What is the red variety here?
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#1 of 5 posted
4 JAN 23 by
 Jay-Jay
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To me, that rose looks a lot like Gräfin Esterhazy.
But the photographer might answer Your question correctly.
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#2 of 5 posted
4 JAN 23 by
Usami
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Thank you, Jay. Also, I'm simply curious, how did you manage to find this comment so quickly after I posted it? Did you get some form of notification? I'm just curious as to how hmf features like this work.
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#3 of 5 posted
4 JAN 23 by
Jay-Jay
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Please take a look at my print-screens Usami.
That's how You get there:
Click in the left column on the button "NEW/RECENT" and You'll get there after clicking on the "Reviews & Comments" tab above the line: "Recent website additions and changes to HelpMeFind".
Good luck in the New Year and to all HMF members too.
Saludos, Jay-Jay.
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Yes, may 2023 be better for the world than 2022 was.
Another helpmefind feature I check frequently: click on NEW/RECENT, in the left menu, then on Photos at the top.
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Hello, I believe that is Cramoisi Superieur in the vase with Kim Rupert’s Little Butterfly. I grew Cramoisi for awhile in that PNW garden but it didn’t do that well for me so I regretfully removed it.
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I question the zone rating of 8a on this rose, considering its lineage and that it's grown in the region of Moscow, Russia.
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The zone information came from the US Patent, which says,
"Cold hardiness: `POULbota` has been found to be resistant to damage from cold in USDA Zone 8 and USDA Zone 7."
Of course, since it is growing in a colder zone, the rose is probably hardier than reported in the patent.
Smiles,
Lyn
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I read that, Lyn, and wondered why it wasn't listed as 7 instead of 8. The I saw the Moscow pictures!! It must be pretty hardy, indeed. Thanks for the response.
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You've asked a great question. I did change the zone down to 7.
My guess about the patent only mentioning hardiness to zone 7 is that the rose had not been tested in colder zones, so breeder did not want to make a disclosure that the rose was hardier than where it was tested.
Actually, I really don't know.
Smiles,
Lyn
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I don't know, either, but it sure looks like a great rose!
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#6 of 6 posted
24 SEP 16 by
AquaEyes
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I know I'm very late to this discussion, but I just happened upon this rose tonight.
My reading of "resistant to cold damage" is that the rose has little to no Winter damage, i.e. is "green to the tips" come Spring. Here in zone 7a in central NJ, the roses that get no Winter damage would otherwise be rated as being hardy to far colder zones. I think gardeners consider a rose being "hardy enough to grow" means enough cane survives Winter to allow for having a reasonably-attractive plant during the following growing season. Here, even Bourbons and David Austins will have SOME cold damage, and they're listed as being hardy beyond zone 7. The only roses I have with NO cold damage are the OGRs with little or no China/Tea ancestry.
:-)
~Christopher
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#5 of 6 posted
3 OCT 12 by
jedmar
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Here is a link which explain how roses survive the Russian winter:
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/elenamumrina/view/366894/?page=0
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I noticed that my membership is expiring soon so plan to renew but also noticed the little red star showing I am a member isnt visible. Such a silly thing but I miss seeing it. Have I missed doing something I should??
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Hi, I happened to be looking at Marguerite Desrayaux listing and noticed that you list it as 9-16 petals, but the picture looks to be of a double bloom. Here's a link to Rogers Roses with a picture of MD and it is listed as a double. Thought maybe your info on the hmf listing was incorrect, so I thought I'd ask. Thanks for all of your work!
http://www.rogersroses.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~1824~gid~32.asp
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8 JAN 09 by
jedmar
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The original description in the "Journal des Roses" of 1905 clearly says "demi-pleine" (semi-double). This would indicate that the rose we know today as 'Marguerite Desrayaux" is probably mislabeled.
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Hi Jedmar
I tend to agree with you that this rose is misappropriated, but for clarity demi-plein is half full rather than semi double, most of Nabonnand's breedings were described like this
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