HelpMeFind Roses, Clematis and Peonies
Roses, Clematis and Peonies
and everything gardening related.
arvid jørgensen
most recent 11 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
Oh yes, I know there is a Bourbon Rose named Bourbon Queen, but in my opinion this is definitely the Queen of the Bourbons. In fact a Queen of the old/historical garden roses in general. Ever since she was introduced on the market in 1851 she has never really been out of popularity, and no wonder. The rose pink flowers with a slight touch of mauve are of the good oldfashioned kind, as is the heavy scent, and she is never without flowers and or buds throughtout the entire season. I know many of you will say she can be a bit difficult like a genuine primadonna. In my garden she has been quite easy to grow, the only defect being that she is madly in love - with blackspot. But the best thing to do about that as I see it, is to find an efficient fungicide and spray. Simple as that. She was one of the first roses I planted in my garden. I was smitten by her then, and I am still in love with her after all these years, even though she ,as said, is apparently in love with "someone" else. To keep her as a shrub, she will need regular cutting back. Else you have to give her support. I have planted her in front of my house up the wall between two dining room windows, where she is reaching for the sky ,only stopped by the eaves of the roof. Very beautiful indeed and spectacular too. The only tricky thing is that I have problems reaching the flowers to smell the scent. The roses planted in front of her now fully grown, are blocking my access. I have been thinking of planting another one. My mother who could never remember the name of this rose, used to call her Louise Eau de Vie (water of life) which is the name of a grape liquor that has been sold in Norway for as long as I can remember, and used in the old days to make the long drink "pjolter" mixed with soda. Well that is of course a different story. I say if you want to grow oldfashioned garden roses, this should be one of your choices. This was the favourite rose of the now long diseased Norwegian Nobel Price winning author Sigrid Undseth and which she grew in her garden in Lillehammer (venue of the Olympic Winter games in 1994). Which proves that this is also quite a hardy rose.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Great review. Thank you !!
Reply #3 of 2 posted 11 MAY 17 by arvid jørgensen
And thank you for taking interest in my comments
Regards Arvid
most recent 16 JUN 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
When a plant does not want to grow at all, rather looking like it is likely to die on you, then give it another spot in your garden. This extremely vigorous climber is an outstanding example to prove the truth in these words. From remaining a tiny plant on the brink if perishing in front of my house, it has now grown into an enormous climber, sending out canes and twigs in all directions. I have now given up on trying to control it other than binding up these canes and twigs in the directions they want to go so as not to be broken down by wind or by their own weight. People who saw the once tiny plant hardly believe their eyes. The flowers are of an almost luminous colour mainly due to the fact that they are bicoloured. They appear cherry red, but because of the creamy yellow inside they also appear luminous to look at. The plant seems somewhat reluctant to flower on older stems even if they are not older than two years, which is why the flush usually starts a bit late. But from then on it flowers continuously way into the autumn when the yellow colour becomes more dominant leaving the red to fade a bit. It`s a sheer delight to have such a plant in my garden.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Jeff Britt
A great story and an even greater plant. I have Antique 89 and am as impressed with it as you are. Highly recommended!
Reply #3 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I had this rose over 10 years ago. I can't complain about disease problems or lack of vigor. It got enormous very quickly as budded plant.

Strangely enough I just never liked it very much. The growth habit was ungainly for me. It threw out awkward and enormous heavily prickled canes with very leathery foliage.

The blossoms were always a harsh color that didn't blend well with other things, at least to my eye.

I suspect the intense warmth and light here in the low desert made it look too garish.

It was one of the first roses I removed. I might look lovely for others grown in the right climate. I just didn't enjoy it here.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Jeff Britt
Perhaps in time I will lose my zeal for this rose. It does throw out a number of big, thorny new canes which are a bit too stiff to make the rose easily trained (like Sally Holmes in that regard) and the leaves are somewhat sparse and very thick and leathery. It is not the usual rose.

As to the flower color, it is also out of the common way. It has the "antique" flower form so popular these days, but the colors are as bright and lurid as any modern hybrid tea. The juxtaposition of ogr flower form and very modern coloring is singular in my experience. Somehow, the color works in my garden, which is odd since I have shied away from most all HT's because their colors so often clash with everything else.

Perhaps my enthusiasm will cool this winter when I have to prune that prickly beast! Until then, I'll just enjoy such a healthy, free-flowering climber.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
'Rosarium Uetersen' was another one with similar form and coloration that I just couldn't warm up to. It too is gone.

It might be lovely where you are though.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 16 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
Just saw this. RU is absolutely beautiful here. Cinnamon-coral tones come out in cool weather, and no blackspot. I can see how the heat would kill the romance our RU. In heat, it looks like any other pink.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 11 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
Hello California! How I sometimes wish I had the same climate as you do, but then again this is not a problem with Antike. Looks like it wants to compete wih the monster roses like Brenda Colvin, and is doing quite well too at that. I have checked out a some of your rose photos of which I have found a few favourites too. I have read your garden comments and as far as I understand you are interested in starting to breed roses as well. Another American gardener Robert with his desert rose garden who has also posted comments on this rose,is breeding roses and allegedly hardy ones too, and some of them are really very beautiful to judge by the photos uploaded. He wants to try and introduce them to the European market, and I hope he will succeed eventually. Thanks for commenting.

Reply #2 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by HMF Admin
Thanks so much for taking the time to share your experience - information like this is a terrific addition to HMF.

I hope you have also found the time to use HMF's plant rating system for this plant - it's quick, easy and a very useful tool in helping choose plants.
most recent 20 APR 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 APR 15 by jimeastcoast
Was looking up Nevada and read your comments on it and your writings on it lead me to your page and your further writings about your garden. Loved reading it! Very evocative and soulful. Thank you so much. I loved The Secret Garden as a child and even read it several times as an adult. A garden tells so much about the spirit of the gardener. Thanks again, Jim Provenzano
Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 APR 15 by arvid jørgensen
Thank you for your kind words. I am honoured
most recent 2 JUN 14 SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 DEC 09 by arvid jørgensen
I have had this wonderful rose in my garden for many years now, and I have grown more and more fond of it over the years. A Norwegian rose expert : Leon Stangeland, once wrote an article for the Norwegian Rose Society`s Magazine on the roses of his garden. There was a photo of this rambler in his garden and he spoke very favourably of it, clearly expressing that he held it to be one of his favourites. This made me plant the rose in my own garden, a decision I have never regretted. It is now also one of my favourites. Together with American Pillar it is now covering most of my gazebo, and I love it. The stems are rather thin and pliable at least compared to American Pillar, but they grow profusely, easily reaching across the roof of the gazebo and all the way down on the other side, criss-crossing in all directions. - Fabulous. At first there was only the one, stunning flush. But by and by it started to sport some single flowers and small clusters also later in the season. This year it has just gone on and on up til now when there are still some flowers left on the plant. We now write December 17th, and as the day temperatures are expected to drop below zero C as of tomorrow, I am afraid that will be the end of it. However I had never imagined this one to be one of the latest bloomers in my garden. The small, loosely filled flowers have a wonderful scent, and it is quite disease resistant too. A little mildew has been detected a couple of times, but it has so far been left powerless to deal with this profusely growing plant. The uploaded photo, unfortunately a bit blurred, was taken on Dec 1st. 2009.
Reply #1 of 14 posted 24 MAY 14 by cabin in the woods
thanks for all the good information
Reply #2 of 14 posted 24 MAY 14 by arvid jørgensen
My pleasure. You say that you live in a cold area. The climate here at Lista is rather mild for Norway. It has by a helpmefind member been compared to the climate in the Seattle-Vancouver area. But you could always try. It is one of my top favourites. My American Pillar froze down to the ground during a recent harsh winter - not so Sander`s White Rambler. (American Pillar is coming back though - on its way to becoming its once glorious self.) Good Luck!
Best regards Arvid
Reply #3 of 14 posted 28 MAY 14 by cabin in the woods
Wow! I'm amazed that anywhere in Norway has weather that mild. In the photo of your pretty gazebo and Sander's White (and I assume American Pillar?) -- Sander's look very healthy. If you have the time, I've got some questions for you. They are: --How big is the flower? --How long does it bloom? --How much (if any) shade does your bush get and how well does it cope with it? --Either Graham Thomas and/or Peter Beals said Sander's White is a superior rose to 'Seagull' and from what I've researched I can't see why. I was wondering if you have any opinions on that. I have an old tree that would look pretty with a least one climbing rose on it, and I'm serously considering the roses May Queen or Seagull, and thanks to your posts, Sander's white. Unfortunately, I need roses that will take part sun only.

Any comments from you (or anyone else) would be greatly appreciated.
Reply #4 of 14 posted 28 MAY 14 by Patricia Routley
I honestly don't know if 'May Queen' would grow in your area, but if it did, you need a low tree, such as an apple so that you can see the blooms closely. If the tree is tall, then one of the whites would produce a mass of distance colour.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 28 MAY 14 by arvid jørgensen
Yes it is "American Pillar" . The flowers of "Sander`s White" are about 4cm in diameter. If the choice is between "Seagull" and " Sander`s White" I would definitely choose Sander`s. I have both in my garden and Sander`s is much better. Like I said it seems pretty hardy too. Both are deseasefree in my garden. It seems to tolerate some shade as it is shadowed by an apple tree in the afternoon. It is listed as once blooming but tends to sport scattered flowers later in the season when established - as late as December shown in the photo you commented. I have no experience with "May Queen" but like another member has commented I don`t think it will tolerate your climate conditions. You could also try the Finnish "Polstjernan" (The Polar Star) known by many in America I think, by the name of "The White Rose of Finland" - if you can get it. This is said to be the hardiest of all climbers - and yes, you can send it up a tree. It is extremely vigorous. .Good Luck!

Best regards Arvid
Reply #6 of 14 posted 29 MAY 14 by cabin in the woods
Thank you Arvid and Patricia!
Reply #7 of 14 posted 29 MAY 14 by Jay-Jay
Over here Seagull is much more vigorous and climbs higher into a tree. It takes some more years to flower than Sander's White Rambler.
A nurseryman told me he didn't advise S.W.R. to people with children or other, that would be on a vacation in the time that this rose flowers. They would never be able to enjoy the full blooming.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 29 MAY 14 by arvid jørgensen
Yes, Seagull is definitely very vigorous, only it hasn`t shown its full potential in my garden as yet, but I have planted a new one, so I`ll, have to wait and see. Yes Sander`s White`s main flush tends to come a bit later than ramblers of this kind. so if the only time you can enjoy its full flush is in the vacation time, you may be a bit disappointed unless you have your vacation later in the season.. The time of the main flush may of course vary depending on the climate in your place
Best regards Arvid
Reply #9 of 14 posted 30 MAY 14 by Jay-Jay
You're right about climate and the time of the vacation... or just stay at home that time in (as we say in Holland) "Tuinesië" (Gardenesië)
Arvid: Do You grow Starkodder too? A very nice Scandinavian Helenae-Hybrid Rambler.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 30 MAY 14 by arvid jørgensen
Yes, I have Starkodder. It flowered when I bought it a couple of years ago, but not since. I am waiting for it to flower this year. I am also waiting for it to grow up a cherry tree, but so far it has been a bit slow. It is quite healthy though and hardy too.

Best regards Arvid
Reply #11 of 14 posted 31 MAY 14 by Jay-Jay
I didn't see it listed for Your garden on HMF. So I wondered. It flowers every year (over here) but in some years some caterpillars loved the buds too. It is very vigorous and it roots super-easy. It started to flower the day before yesterday. (early compared to other years)
Reply #12 of 14 posted 1 JUN 14 by arvid jørgensen
I haven`t updated my plants in HMF for a while. Some have disappeared and many have been planted since the last update. I guess I will have to do something about that. I hope mine will be as vigorous and floriferous as yours soon.

Reply #13 of 14 posted 2 JUN 14 by Jay-Jay
I'll upload one or two photo's soon.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 2 JUN 14 by arvid jørgensen
Good, I`ll check them out. I saw an enormous specimen i the "Trädgårdsföreningen" Park in Gothenburg some years ago. It was fantastic. I hope mine will grow to be half as big eventually.
© 2018