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most recent 23 AUG 20 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
I planted this rose in last year`s spring. The flowers are of the beautiful dark red to blood red colour I favour. They even have a light scent which is a rare quality in a dark red climber. Unfortunately the growth has so far not been a vigorous one. The plant had been cut drastically back when I got it which left me a bit uncertain as to what would become of it. However it started out pretty good under the circumstances. Unfortunately last year`s growth withered down and it didn`t start afresh until around midsummer, and then only slowly. The first flowers started to appear in late August/early September. I am still keeping my hopes high though as I like the rose very much inspite of the shortcomings so far. This rose is listed as bred in the Netherlands, and the Norwegian climate might be a reason, although the climate here at Lista is not all too different from the one in the Netherlands. Perhaps with the winters a bit more on the chillier side. I guess I will have to do my best and wait and see.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 AUG 20 by makida
How is your Mushimara doing after these 10 years? Friends in Vaermland are looking for a red climber and I just saw that this one is offered by a local nursery not far from where they live. Hilsen, Marianne i Knivsta, Sverige.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 23 AUG 20 by arvid jørgensen
Hi Makida
I guess I could have written in Norwegian to you but for the benefit of as many as possible , I will stick to English. Yes Musimara. I am sorry to say that I don`t have this rose in my garden any moe unfortunately. I must admit that I had forgotten all about it until I read your comments. Thinking about it now gives me a kind of wobegone feeling. The comments I wrote are right, but I think the main problem was the place I planted it in. I planted a few other roses too around a tripode. . However none of them seemed to like it here for some unknown reason I should try and plant this rose again if I could get it but the problem is vacant spots. If you can get it, do try it. It is worth it. My best red climber now is "Illusion". The flowers don`t like rain though, but still. Then there is "Tradition". This also for some reason suddenly up and died on me. But I am set on trying it again. "Sympathie" is a banker, and "Santana". Good luck with your "Musimara" Hilsen Arvid
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 23 AUG 20 by makida
Arvid, thanks for your reply. I recommended 'Santana' to my friends. They are beginning gardeners with a new holiday home and 'Santana' is available at almost all garden outlets. They want it as soon as possible. I'll think of 'Musimara' for myself, it sounds interesting. I've asked rosarian friends about it but no one seems to have even heard of it, a challenge.
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most recent 13 APR 20 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
This has for many years been one of the most popular roses in Norway and consequently widely planted. The main reason for which is probably that she appears to be a hybrid tea, even though she in fact is a floribunda. This makes her a bit more hardy and easier to grow in our Norwegian climate than most of the hybrid teas. The flowers are beautiful and tend to appear one by one like on a hybrid tea, thus making them suitable for cutting. Some years ago I took some "Rose Friends" of mine from the Oslo aerea to visit the village of Korshavn on the coast east of Lista. Here we came across a plant of Queen Elizabeth up a wall of an old wooden house almost reaching the top of the gable. Really a sight. The owner, an elderly lady, came out to greet us and we complemented her on the impressing rose. She complained about not having had the time to cut it back that spring, and of course we asked - why cut back? Yes why indeed. Most people here seem to have a strange notion that all roses should always be cut back in spring - period. I think the lady decided to heed our advice. And yes - a Queen Elizabeth of almost 3 meters in full flush covering about half of a wall is indeed a spectacular sight not soon to be forgotten. My neighbour also had a beautiful Queen Elizabeth once up his garage wall ,which he cut back to almost nothing every spring. I pitied the poor plant and told him he was likely to lose it if he kept on doing so. And he did - both - keep on doing so, and lose the plant.
So what about my own plant then? Well that is a totally different story, and like my neighbour`s , quite a sad one too at that - till now. She has never been one to flower much, sending up canes and twigs ending at best in two or three flowers per season. I pinched the shoots, cut back the plant and did everything I was supposed to do according to the books. To no avail. I had given up the plant entirely when I this spring bought a clematis "The Vagabond" and told my Queen Elizabeth that I would leave her be if she could serve as a good support for the clematis. And what do you know! The plant has flowered almost continuously and is still now in September showing off many beautiful flowers. This is not the only time I have experienced this. I have many times wondered: Do the plants have a way of perceiving things? Other gardeners have had the same experience. Very strange indeed. But then again, plants are living beings not things, and this really makes my heart go out to them, and I love them for it.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 24 APR 19 by BrianH
Arvid, thank you for your comments. This kind of information, together with your personal experience, is exactly what I need to enjoy roses and the community devoted to them. Also, as an English teacher, I admire your elegant writing style and the warmth of your narrative.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 2 MAY 19 by arvid jørgensen
Thank you for your kind comments, Brian. I much appreciate it. Although I have lost the "Vagabond" Clematis, I still have my "Queen Elizabeth". She is back to normal now so to speak. Maybe she misses the Vagabond. Who knows. I may have to buy me a new one. There is however a "Jackmanii" and the Estonian "Mikelite" there, but they seem to be heading for the Lilac Tree in the background ; which of course was my intention in the first place. Anyway I am happy to have my "Queen" still and she is of course welcome to stay for as long as she wants. Good luck with your gardening. This is a busy time here and I love it. The revival of Nature once again. Aren`t we lucky to experience this Miracle every year?

Best regards from Arvid
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 4 APR 20 by Tique
I normally don’t read lengthy comments but I read yours with much delight! Thank you!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 13 APR 20 by arvid jørgensen
Thank you! I much appreciate
Best regards Arvid
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most recent 11 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 27 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
Oh yes, I know there is a Bourbon Rose named Bourbon Queen, but in my opinion this is definitely the Queen of the Bourbons. In fact a Queen of the old/historical garden roses in general. Ever since she was introduced on the market in 1851 she has never really been out of popularity, and no wonder. The rose pink flowers with a slight touch of mauve are of the good oldfashioned kind, as is the heavy scent, and she is never without flowers and or buds throughtout the entire season. I know many of you will say she can be a bit difficult like a genuine primadonna. In my garden she has been quite easy to grow, the only defect being that she is madly in love - with blackspot. But the best thing to do about that as I see it, is to find an efficient fungicide and spray. Simple as that. She was one of the first roses I planted in my garden. I was smitten by her then, and I am still in love with her after all these years, even though she ,as said, is apparently in love with "someone" else. To keep her as a shrub, she will need regular cutting back. Else you have to give her support. I have planted her in front of my house up the wall between two dining room windows, where she is reaching for the sky ,only stopped by the eaves of the roof. Very beautiful indeed and spectacular too. The only tricky thing is that I have problems reaching the flowers to smell the scent. The roses planted in front of her now fully grown, are blocking my access. I have been thinking of planting another one. My mother who could never remember the name of this rose, used to call her Louise Eau de Vie (water of life) which is the name of a grape liquor that has been sold in Norway for as long as I can remember, and used in the old days to make the long drink "pjolter" mixed with soda. Well that is of course a different story. I say if you want to grow oldfashioned garden roses, this should be one of your choices. This was the favourite rose of the now long diseased Norwegian Nobel Price winning author Sigrid Undseth and which she grew in her garden in Lillehammer (venue of the Olympic Winter games in 1994). Which proves that this is also quite a hardy rose.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Great review. Thank you !!
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Reply #3 of 2 posted 11 MAY 17 by arvid jørgensen
And thank you for taking interest in my comments
Regards Arvid
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most recent 16 JUN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
When a plant does not want to grow at all, rather looking like it is likely to die on you, then give it another spot in your garden. This extremely vigorous climber is an outstanding example to prove the truth in these words. From remaining a tiny plant on the brink if perishing in front of my house, it has now grown into an enormous climber, sending out canes and twigs in all directions. I have now given up on trying to control it other than binding up these canes and twigs in the directions they want to go so as not to be broken down by wind or by their own weight. People who saw the once tiny plant hardly believe their eyes. The flowers are of an almost luminous colour mainly due to the fact that they are bicoloured. They appear cherry red, but because of the creamy yellow inside they also appear luminous to look at. The plant seems somewhat reluctant to flower on older stems even if they are not older than two years, which is why the flush usually starts a bit late. But from then on it flowers continuously way into the autumn when the yellow colour becomes more dominant leaving the red to fade a bit. It`s a sheer delight to have such a plant in my garden.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Jeff Britt
A great story and an even greater plant. I have Antique 89 and am as impressed with it as you are. Highly recommended!
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I had this rose over 10 years ago. I can't complain about disease problems or lack of vigor. It got enormous very quickly as budded plant.

Strangely enough I just never liked it very much. The growth habit was ungainly for me. It threw out awkward and enormous heavily prickled canes with very leathery foliage.

The blossoms were always a harsh color that didn't blend well with other things, at least to my eye.

I suspect the intense warmth and light here in the low desert made it look too garish.

It was one of the first roses I removed. I might look lovely for others grown in the right climate. I just didn't enjoy it here.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Jeff Britt
Perhaps in time I will lose my zeal for this rose. It does throw out a number of big, thorny new canes which are a bit too stiff to make the rose easily trained (like Sally Holmes in that regard) and the leaves are somewhat sparse and very thick and leathery. It is not the usual rose.

As to the flower color, it is also out of the common way. It has the "antique" flower form so popular these days, but the colors are as bright and lurid as any modern hybrid tea. The juxtaposition of ogr flower form and very modern coloring is singular in my experience. Somehow, the color works in my garden, which is odd since I have shied away from most all HT's because their colors so often clash with everything else.

Perhaps my enthusiasm will cool this winter when I have to prune that prickly beast! Until then, I'll just enjoy such a healthy, free-flowering climber.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
'Rosarium Uetersen' was another one with similar form and coloration that I just couldn't warm up to. It too is gone.

It might be lovely where you are though.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 16 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
Just saw this. RU is absolutely beautiful here. Cinnamon-coral tones come out in cool weather, and no blackspot. I can see how the heat would kill the romance our RU. In heat, it looks like any other pink.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 11 SEP 09 by arvid jørgensen
Hello California! How I sometimes wish I had the same climate as you do, but then again this is not a problem with Antike. Looks like it wants to compete wih the monster roses like Brenda Colvin, and is doing quite well too at that. I have checked out a some of your rose photos of which I have found a few favourites too. I have read your garden comments and as far as I understand you are interested in starting to breed roses as well. Another American gardener Robert with his desert rose garden who has also posted comments on this rose,is breeding roses and allegedly hardy ones too, and some of them are really very beautiful to judge by the photos uploaded. He wants to try and introduce them to the European market, and I hope he will succeed eventually. Thanks for commenting.

Arvid
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 10 SEP 09 by HMF Admin
Thanks so much for taking the time to share your experience - information like this is a terrific addition to HMF.

I hope you have also found the time to use HMF's plant rating system for this plant - it's quick, easy and a very useful tool in helping choose plants.
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