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For those of you who grow them both, please compare "Flamingo Gardens Tea" with 'Souv. de Pierre Notting'. I think we may have a match. We need to run the DNA analysis on them, but in the garden, they certainly look alike.
Malcolm
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A close look at the receptacle might help, Malcolm. The main page says "receptacle long and slender". The Australian book 'Tea Roses: Old Roses for Warm Gardens" page 184 says the receptacle for 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting' is "Small, flared cup, some glands at base"
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The Flamingo Gardens Tea I have doesn't match the description on the Souvenir de Pierre Notting on this site. For one thing the petals are quite substantial and has no problem with balling in wet weather at all, and we get a lot of rain here. Also, there are not as many petals as in some of the pictures of Souv. de Pierre on this site. The receptacle shape of the Souvenir de Pierre Notting in "Tea Roses, Old Roses for Warm Gardens" is definitely" not the same as mine. It is much shorter and squatter. Unfortunately, the buds are too small right now so I can't show you a picture of it. The descriptions and pictures from Rogue Valley Roses, where my plant came from, are different for the two roses. They say that Pierre is aka Yellow Maman Cochet. implying that there is some resemblance to Mama Cochet.. My Flamingo does not in any way resemble my Mama Cochet. Malcolm, you said that Rogue Valley's Flamingo came from you so I am assuming that my plant is correct.
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#3 of 19 posted
21 MAR 15 by
mmanners
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I compared our plants again today. They appear to be identical in every respect (leaves, prickles, buds, calyx shape, sepals, the flower itself). I can't prove our 'Souv. de Pierre Notting' is the true original, but it is the one commonly in commerce in the U.S.
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.....Receptacle....is much shorter and squatter.
Have a look at 'Etoile de Lyon' receptacle on p99 of the 'Tea Roses' book.
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#5 of 19 posted
22 MAR 15 by
mmanners
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The receptacle on my two plants is absolutely identical. I have to wonder who described it as long and slender -- they are, indeed, short and squat. And we have the original source plants of FGT.
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Identical to what? Each other? The p99 photo of 'Etoile de Lyon' or p184 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting'?
As you have the original source plants of "Flamingo Gardens tea", we have altered the main page to read Receptacle: short and squat.
Good side-on photos of pedicel and buds are needed. No more full-frontal, full-bloom gorgeous photos showing only colour (which can change). Foundlings need ugly but clear photos showing the rose's character - canes, prickles, leaves, the bush, and side-on photos of buds!!
I note from the 2011-114 reference for 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting' that the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden bush of 'SdPN' was the same as that pictured on p184 of 'Tea Roses'.
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#7 of 19 posted
23 MAR 15 by
mmanners
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Patricia, Identical to each other in the garden (our FGT and the SdPN sold and grown in the US).
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Malcolm, mine is the plant that has the long slender receptacle. Since you have the original plant, clearly my is not Flamingo Gardens tea. Except for the flowers, it does not resemble Souvenir De Pierre Notting. The flowers have great substance and has no trouble with balling at all unlike the description of Pierre Notting and Catherine Mermet and Mama Cochet. It is also more disease resistant than either of those two, even my unforgiving rain forest climate. The buds are slimmer than some of the Souvenir de Pierre Notting pictures shown here. I have more "beauty shots" of my rose but of course they won't help identify it. It is a shame since it is one of the jewels of the garden, as a plant second only to General Schablikine. Probably more suitable than here than the real Flamingo. I guess it is just another one of those great mystery roses. I will remove my pictures here to avoid confusion, but I wish I had a place to put them.
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#9 of 19 posted
23 MAR 15 by
mmanners
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That's really odd, in that your front-on flowers look exactly right for it. I wonder if its receptacle/calyx shape varies with climate conditions?
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It is odd isn't it? I'll keep my pictures up until I can get one of the latest batch of flowers to show the receptacle. You can sort of see the receptacle in my picture of the sprawling young plant. The flower to the right of the white tag (declaring it is Flamingo Gardens Tea) you can just see the stem end of the receptacle showing. The fact that you can see it that far back of the flower speaks to how long it is. The shape is similar to that of the Hume's Blush Scented China directly behind it. Whatever the case, it is such a good rose, I hope it can be identified and everyone in a warm climate gets a chance to grow it, whatever it's name. One thing you can clear up for me, are the petals of Flamingo/Pierre Notting substantial like Mrs. B R Cant/General Schablikine or thin and subject to balling like Maman Cochet/Rosette Delizy/Catherine Mermet? The description of Pierre Notting in this site suggest the latter while mine is the former.
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Celeryrose – one of the very good identification clues you have, is that your rose came from Rogue Valley Roses. If you do an Advanced Search for yellow tea roses, you come up with a list. Quickly scanning down and searching for the N for nurseries, you can open up each possibility to see if Rogue Valley carries that rose.
Hopefully their listing is updated regularly – and on that surmise I’ve come up with five possibilities:
‘Alliance Franco Russe’ – discounted because the petals point out and it balls.
‘Marie van Houtte’ – discounted because it often has a pink edge.
‘Alexander Hill Gray’ – discounted because it has 60-80 petals
‘Safrano’- Jedmar’s photo of William Paul’s 1848 photo show a long pedicel (such as your rose has) and the receptacle is clearly shown. Marcir’s photo also has a clearly shown bud. However I am inclined to discount ‘Safano’ because of Billy’s photo shows a receptacle which seems too long and rounded.
That leaves ‘Etoile de Lyon’ and I believe you should really look at this possibility.
This is compounded by member Peachiekean (see Etoile de Lyon comments) who also bought a ‘mystery’ rose from Rogue Valley and she has wondered if hers could be ‘Etoile de Lyon’.
I am really hesitating about marking your photos ‘Photo error’ not as I have never found a way of reversing it. Perhaps if you agree you could move your photos out of “Flamingo Gardens Tea” and into ‘Etoile de Lyon’ noting that they are “possibly Etoile de Lyon”.
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Thanks for doing the research. I am very familiar with the tea and china list of Rogue Valley. Since my rose is so obviously a tea. that is where I concentrated my search. Alliance Franco Russe may be the same as "fake perle" in the Australian book and doesn't resemble my Flamingo. Perle itself is reputed to be a horrible baller which my Flamingo is not.. I have Marie Van Houtte. Definitely not her. Probably not Mrs. Dudley Cross either since that is suppose to look like Marie Van Houtte. Not Safrano, too many petals, too short. Also Rogue Valley has only just started to carry Safrano, long after I bought my Flamingo. Etoile de Lyion has a squat receptacle, too thorny and doesn't look like it has the bright red coloured new growth. I don't think I will move the picture there Rogue Valley also carries Souvenir de Pierre Notting but I have never seen it in stock. The rose it most resembles is .... Flamingo Gardens tea! Even though it doesn't ball as the description of Souvenir de Pierre Notting says, I think I will leave it here for now. The buds are just forming now for the first flush. I will observe it very closely. Perhaps it is as Malcolm said, very different climate created very different growth.
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OK.
Consider adding your list of roses to HelpMefind. It would have been good to know what you have and what you don't.
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I've spoken to Janet Inada from Rogue Valley, she remembers buying the Flamingo Gardens Tea from Malcolm. Since Malcolm thinks the face on flower looks right I will assume I have the right plant. I have bought more than 70 plants from Janet and have only had two wrong plants, both known issues. My plant is now three years old so maybe it has settled down and will produce normal shaped flowers. She also has Souvenir de Pierre Notting however hers is not the same plant as Flamingo Garden Tea.
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This comment is late to the party, but I understand that 'Souvenir de Pierre Notting' has been confused in commerce by at least one vendor with 'Mademoiselle Franziska Krüger'. This might explain why RVR's 'SdPN' did not look like "Flamingo Gardens Tea"?
Or.... perhaps the 'SdPN' that Malcolm Manners received is actually 'MFK'?
Virginia
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#17 of 19 posted
18 FEB 20 by
 HubertG
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I'm wondering if 'Flamingo Gardens Tea', because of its thornlessness and colour might be the original 'Mme. Charles'.
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#18 of 19 posted
18 FEB 20 by
mmanners
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It appears to be in all ways identical to 'Souv. de Pierre Notting' as commonly grown and sold in the US, AND to match, perfectly, Billy teabag's photos in Western Australia of SDPN. I'm hoping this summer that we can run DNA of the two against 'Maréchal Niel' and 'Maman Cochet' (listed parents of SDPN) and see what we come up with.
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#19 of 19 posted
18 FEB 20 by
HubertG
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That would be exciting. Just curious - when you run a DNA test such as you described, can you keep the results in some sort of database for later comparisons of other roses tested? Or does everything need to be repeated for each test?
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#15 of 19 posted
19 SEP 16 by
mmanners
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Finally, I just now added comparison photos.
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I can't say I've been totally pleased with Tiffany so far, although it's early:
1.) The blooms have drooped and sagged. A friend said that I needed to trim well when deadheading and that Tiffany performed better once she'd bulked up some.
2.) The blooms also seem to be very frail and delicate. Soft petals and very loose once about 1/3 to half open.
3.) The fragrance is strong and very lovely.
4.) I enjoy the soft shade of "real" pink in this rose. It's simple and charming without being flashy.
5.) Tiffany has had a mildew issue, but that could be because it is located next to Tropicana which explodes into a ball of mildew at the slightest provocation.
Hopefully with time, my Tiffany experience will improve.
August 2016 Update: Tiffany's mildew problems resolved, and with establishment the droopy heads resolved themselves. The plant grows straight as an arrow up and is currently about 6' tall. However, Tiffany isn't a fan of the 100 degree heat here in Houston. The flowers shrank to near nothing, and she's just stood tall doing not much of anything the past couple of months. I'm hoping that next year she will be 100% herself as the common consensus seems to be that she does much better once she has a year or 2 under her belt.
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#1 of 3 posted
23 MAR 16 by
Jay-Jay
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You might try the climbing version and it might suit You better.
Over here it performs (a lot) better than the original not climbing version.
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I have been growing Tiffany since 1973 and it is one of my favourites. Much of the problems you're having may be the result of a young, immature plant.
1.) I wouldn't worry about about the drooping sagging flower. Tiffany always wants to produce blooms even if it can't support them, much like its half sibling, Sutter's Gold.
After it gets a little bigger with a stronger root system to sustain its growth, you will find that the stems will be much thicker and fully able to support the weight of the flowers.
2.) The blooms are normally quite sturdy. The petals thick and substantial. However, it dislikes rain when you may end up with some brown petals. Thin petals and a ragged look is not what I associate with Tiffany
3.) Agreed.
4.) Ditto. The though colour may change through the course of the season, being a purer, brighter pink in good weather and more dusty rose in wet. Also a characteristic of Tiffany is that the base of the petals are yellow. This is a sure sign that you have a Tiffany.
5.) Mildew should not be an issue in a mature plant. One of mine is close to the old tea Catherine Mermet, a mildew magnet if there ever was one, but it is still clean. For a 1950's Hybrid Tea, Tiffany is tough and healthy. In my garden, it is the best of all the Charlotte Armstrong offsprings. I think you will find that your Tiffany will be much better once it matures a bit. Tiffany is one of those roses that will reward good culture. Also the growth can be quite variable. I have two plants one in my front garden and one in the back. Though, both are healthy and receive the same care, the one in front is only about four foot tall whereas the one in the back is nine. Same source, same age.
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How is your Tiffany doing now in the heat? Mine aren't doing so much now that it's really hot and am wondering if that will resolve? Some are getting afternoon shade. Other than that, a surprisingly beautiful rose!
Update: Really stepped up the water and now they are all covered in big, gorgeous blooms. The color holds well in the heat too.
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I find it interesting to read how this rose is reported healthy in some climates. In the Vancouver BC Canada area its highly prone to black spot and mildew, and will defoliate by early summer in most years. I don't think I have ever seen a healthy plant of this in my area and we stopped selling it at our nursery years ago. I love its fragrance but can't think of a rose more prone to all diseases. I do enjoy reading this site though and comparing notes on which roses are healthy in certain climates!
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#1 of 17 posted
11 JUN 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Never seen mildew on this rose and in my garden no significant Blackspot.
However... in the Rosarium of Winschoten there was a very old and healthy plant (see my photo's of it on HMF summer 2009 clean leaves and in octobre some BS), that suddenly got prone to Blackspot in fall and complete(new and old canes) died next year and the winter after this happened it completely gave up.
It was pruneshoveled and a new/other climber was planted.
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Wow I have never seen a compassion not covered in mildew! When we used to sell it we tried spraying every 7days and still could not keep it clean, but again different roses for different climates. Mildew is very extreme in my climate, and black spot affects many roses. The famous Eden climber is another one that can't really be grown here due to disease, yet I see it thriving in parts of Euroope. I guess that's why so many different types of roses are out there. Keeps us breeders busy too haha.
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Compassion was quite healthy in my climate, but we're significantly hotter and more arid than where you live, Brad. It's been very interesting in the past year or so, learning how they have isolated fifteen races of black spot world wide, with five here in the US. I don't know how many races you have in Canada. That, alone, explains why a rose completely spotless in one place is horrible in another. It's also extremely interesting how water can affect the plant's immune system.
Nature uses water, and the lack of it, to signal some species roses it's time to drop their foliage in preparation for winter extremes. R. Arkansana rusts badly in late fall where it is indigenous. I've grown only one hybrid Arkansana here which wasn't extremely afflicted with rust. I had to give my Arkansana away because if it missed watering it, the whole plant, including new foliage, broke out in heavy rust. Watering it as if I was trying to drown it cleared up the rust on all the new growth and kept it clean until water ran short again. I finally shovel pruned Heritage because it always had rust, black spot and mildew on the whole plant. The combination of climate, soil type and micro climate required I water the plant heavily, daily or it would not remain healthy. I don't/can't/won't spray here for a variety of reasons. A rose which can't live healthily with my water and conditions doesn't belong here. It has been very interesting experimenting with water levels and schedules and seeing how it affects the basic health of rose varieties. Of course it greatly affects growth and flowering, but it can make, or break, many with their basic disease resistance. Something I guess we should realize intuitively, but stressing with too little water can literally force an otherwise healthy rose to develop heavy fungal issues.
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Hi Kim,
Climate sure does play a major role. Your area is far better for average rose health than our rainy damp climate. I'm always amazed at the health reports on roses on this site. Many that I see listed as clean are defolaited here by mid June. Julia Child for instance does well yet in some gardens I have seen it 50% defoliated already this year, same for Livin Easy. We get lots of downy and powdery mildew. My seedlings are usually 80% severly affected with mildew before first flowering so anything we to test out has incredible resistance under high pressures. It will often rain here for days and nights on end which makes some roses just sulk. I see great reports on the white Pope JP 2 rose, but it can't be grown here unless you spray ( most sprays are banned and people won't spray). That is one reason why rose sales in my region are at an all time low. The Kordes line of roses is by far the best for my area but some of the Easy Elegance type are good. Most of the typical HT roses are defoliated here in a few months. We have rain from October to June, often for 15 or more days a month, then its dry July to Sept. Nights are oh 50-60 in summer, days 70-75? 85 is hot, 90 is smoking hot for us but only a few days a summer are those temps! The rest of the year is cold and wet! Welcome to Vancouver hahaha. Winters here are not as cold as other parts of Canada, but we do have -10c or even -15c in some years.
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Absolutely, climate determines almost everything! This is a savannah climate. Our "average annual rainfall" is just under 15", though in 2011 we received about a third of that average and in 2012, very slightly more, about 7". "Winters" have been extremely mild in comparison to everywhere else, even the average here. We had two whole "frosts" where temps dipped to 32F and bounced right back up. The average lows weren't much less than 40F. We had heat spells in the 80s over "winter". This year has bounced all over from gray, foggy, damp in the 60s and 70s to very windy, arid and HOT, spiking into the low triple digits. Chilly, damp nights with arid, windy, hot and brilliant days, but at least it cools off at night! Humidity can range from nearly 90% over night to single digit in the afternoon. The "rainy season" is traditionally November through April, though we received a very late rain this year. Fire season has traditionally been from July through October, but it's rapidly become nearly year round. Things are definitely changing and not always for the better. Extremes are becoming more extreme and more the 'norm'.
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#7 of 17 posted
11 JUN 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Mildew is an issue in my garden, because of the big oaks surrounding it: they get mildew like mad.
even the grass sometimes moulds with it.
At first my Compassion (ex Bierkreek) stood next to Warm Wishes; the latter got badly affected by downy mildew, but no sign of it on Compassion.
The leaves start shiny red-purple-brownish and get dark green and leathery when mature.
The place where it stands gets a lot of shade and a few hours of direct sunlight.
No optimal conditions.
It only froze back completely to the ground in the winter of 2011/2012.
But that was a very cold (bare frosts + a lot of sunshine) and late winter after a warm end of the year till january 25.
I didn't know You were Brad and that You breed roses too. You will select Your own roses for health, I presume?
If I remember it well, You were at the "Rozenfestival" of De Bierkreek last year.
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Hi there! I sure was at the rose fest and will go there next year again. I'm glad that Compassion is healthy for you but it still shocks me as it isn't healthy here. It's it amazing how a rose can do in other climates. We test fully no spray on our roses in very challenged conditions then send the best ones to other growers like our friends in The Netherlands. They will have some of my roses to offer next year but they first have to test which roses do well there. I need a healthy pink climber to sell to our customers so I do wish Compassion would grow better here, but it's the worst of the worst hahaha. Now if it grows that well for you I can see why it's so popular in many parts of the world. It keeps rose breeders busy trying to test roses for each climate. How does the Harkness rose Fellowship/ LIving Easy grow in your climate?
Cheers
Brad
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#9 of 17 posted
11 JUN 13 by
Jay-Jay
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I wouldn't call Compassion a pink rose... sometimes it is pinkish, but mixed with other colours like off-white, orange, buff and yellow. depending on the weather and maybe again climate. In fall it gets more pinkish, sometimes even with some green.
Most of the time it is a variable colour leaning towards orange.
Would You consider Kim's Annie Laurie McDowell as a pink(-mauve) climber?
This year even my Mme Alfred Carrière was Pinkish and that's a strong, resilient and healthy climber.(in my opinion and experience) The Rosarium of Winschoten is not very far from the sea and over there it performs good in a berceau mostly covered with ramblers.
You asked: "How does the Harkness rose Fellowship/ Living Easy grow in your climate?"
I had it in my garden, but it didn't thrive, grew backwards and died last winter.
it wasn't living easy at all.
Regards, J.J.
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Wow I have never seen a compassion not covered in mildew! When we used to sell it we tried spraying every 7days and still could not keep it clean, but again different roses for different climates. Mildew is very extreme in my climate, and black spot affects many roses. The famous Eden climber is another one that can't really be grown here due to disease, yet I see it thriving in parts of Euroope. I guess that's why so many different types of roses are out there. Keeps us breeders busy too haha.
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Brad, it seems your climate and mine (Tasmania, Australia) are very similar; short growing season, cold winters, lots of rain, with a short but sometimes very hot, summer. We get struck by downy mildew badly each spring and powdery mildew in the Autumn when the days are warm and the nights cold. Black spot rules during the spring and summer and, like you have found, the newer Kordes releases are by far the best on offer to the point that I am almost ignoring releases from others. They just never live up to the hype ('Wildcat' won the most disease resistant rose in trial a few years back at the Australian Trial grounds and I've barely seen a leaf on it here). Many of the Kordes roses can be traced back to wichurana ( via 'The Fairy' and 'Immensee' + some others), and I think this has a lot to do with why they do so well here. Kim reports that a lot of wichurana hybrids get crown gall for him but I have never even seen crown gall here in Australia, though I'm lead to believe it is here. 'Pierre de Ronsard' (Eden Climber) is a strong and healthy rose here for the most part but does get black spot and rust and seems to have only a small window of spotlessness. It doesn't seem to affect the growth or flowering but when some roses are putting on a decent autumn show, PDR is languishing in black spottiness as it gears down early for winter. If you get a chance, try and get hold of 'Summer Memories' which is also one of the newer Kordes releases. It produces pollen and forms OP hips though I have not tried to germinate any of these yet. I suspect the germination rate won't be high and that it is probably triploid as Kordes seem almost to select for triploidy on purpose. It is rather spectacular here. 'Manita' is a good strong super healthy pink climber, also by Kordes, that your customers might like if you are looking for such a rose. It also forms many hips and the seeds germinate easily producing strong climbing seedlings. The flower form is not very appealing to me but I'm sure matched to the right parent this could be overcome. If you are looking to breed such a rose have a look at 'Pink Emely'. This little rose is quite amazing here. Right now, almost a month into winter, we are freezing solid almost every clear still night and PE is covered in leaves and flowers still. It is not overly vigorous but very, very healthy. It has accepted pollen from a range of roses this season for me and I am particularly looking forward to seeing what 'Pink Emely' x 'Cornelia' can turn up.
I don't believe there is any such thing as a rose that is healthy everywhere. In many ways I don't think it's something breeder's should be worried about as I like the idea of producing locally successful roses.
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I have never seen any mildew ever on mine. My garden is in Richmond, BC just west of your nursery. My plant does get some blackspot but nothing to worry about. I bought in 1985, a multiflora graft from Pickering Nurseries. It has since been moved twice but has been in the same spot since 1992. It is squeezed between a eastern cedar and a holly bush and receives very little care, yet comes back every year with a steady supply of blossoms mostly in clusters with a few singles. It also has no problems producing basal breaks despite its age for a grafted rose. The leaves are thick and substantial.even when they have black spot and it never becomes defoliated because of it. You have never seen a plant without mildew, yet I have never seen mine with it. While I certainly have problem plants, Compassion is not one of them. I think this is consistent with it being a British bred cultivar. I wonder why your experience is so different from mine?
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"I wonder why your experience is so different from mine?"
It's because your climate isn't conducive to Powdery Mildew infection.
It mildewed badly here in CA's low desert as well. We never see Blackspot
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Hi there, thanks for the reply. I was meaning specifically that the Select Rose Nursery is less than 43 kilometers drive from me. I'm a little farther north and a little closer to the water, however I.m guessing that the conditions would not be that different. Sorry for the confusion. Mildew is a problem here Especially in early spring and late summer. I am in a rain forest after all, I just don't see it on Compassion..
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"I just don't see it on Compassion.."
In that case you are lucky..
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#15 of 17 posted
15 MAY 15 by
Jay-Jay
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If so... Than me too Robert!
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I never see Blackspot. I'm lucky too. ;-)
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I see blackspot, but I still feel lucky. If I had put any effort into spraying it, of course I would be disappointed. But, it doesn't mildew and keeps growing. Because of where it is, it doesn't get any fertilizer or watering either. Now that I think of it, I'm not nice to it at all! I originally planted it as free standing bush, but it has since decided to take over the holly tree next to it. They are both about 15 feet tall. Behind you can see one of the two cedar trees that border it. After this current flush I will probably cut it (and the holly) down by about three feet, and it will probably respond by growing right back up to where it is now. In the photo I uploaded two days ago you can see the holly tree behind the flowers as well. That picture was taken at eye level. Luckily, it breaks at the bottom so I get to see flowers from below eye level too. It is very much like my other free standing rose, New Dawn, in that it absolutely does not need nor gets any coddling. Picture taken May 16th, 2015
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Could this be 'Catherine Mermet'?
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Definitely not Catherine Mermet. I have Catherine Mermet, it's sport Bridesmaid and Flamingo Garden Tea. Flamingo Garden tea has fewer, more substantial petals and the colour is yellow washed with pink. Rain does not affect the flowers, whereas Catherine and Bridesmaid ofen ball. The plant shape is also more typical tea, not tall and narrow like Catherine Mermet.
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Thanks celeryrose. I've added every scrap of info I could glean from the various comments about this rose. The more observations about foundlings we can gather, the better we will be able to pin a name on them. Is there any more? Where did it come from? Who found it? What is its pedicel like? What are its thorns like? What are its hips like? etc. etc.
Later edit. It has the same low growth and very red new growth that I see in the Australian foundlings "Wood Street Buff Yellow" and "Fake Perle" (both on HelpMeFind.com), but the bloom colour of "Flamingo Garden tea" seems much paler.
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I think the low growth may be because the plant was still young last year. This year she has some really upright branches, though the lower, horizontal ones are also with flowers. Is the Fake Perle the same one as on page 168 of "Tea Roses Old Roses for Warm Gardens?" I am looking at one that I just picked please see the picture I just posted. Sorry for the rather sad specimen. It is the last of 11 blooms I had last week. When I get a fresher one in a couple of days, I will post it. This year colour is a little lighter than Lady Hillingdon but with some pink on the edges. I think the plant was too young to produce the true colours yet last year when I took the pictures. Definitely darker than the Perle in the book, plus it has the pink overtones on the outer edges. Also the rose is almost completely thornless except for the undersides of the leaf. I found only one thorn on the whole plant that wasn't on a leaf! Also the stem just beneath the receptical is completely smooth, unlike the picture that you took where the stem seems to be covered in fine bristles. Also the receptacle it self is long and slender, not short and fat. Fake Perle seems to have more petals too. She also does not ball in rain. Can't find Wood Street Buff Yellow, so I can't comment on that. Has a mild tea scent not unlike the more powerful Lady Hillingdon.
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No, not page 168.
"Fake Perle" is on page 198 - and here on HelpMeFind:
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62286
"Wood St. Buff Yellow":
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.47619
Excellent to know about the thornlessness and the smooth pedicel of "Flamingo Garden Tea".
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Thanks for the link. Wood St. Buff Yellow, does look very much like Flamingo Tea except for the squat receptacle and the black spot. Even here in the wet coast of British Columbia, Flamingo Garden Tea is without disease. Out all my roses, only General Schablikine shares that distinction. I can just imagine what she would be like in Australia! I have never seen the hips since I deadheaded them all, but I will leave some so I can give a more complete description. There are some bristles on the pedicel when they start out but once the blooms are open, they disappear.
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