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25 FEB 04 by
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Does anyone know whether Agnes Smith is available in the US? If so, where?
Lindsey
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Hi Lindsey,
I can't really answer your question with regards to availability in the US, for as far as I am aware, "Agnes Smith" is only available from the Heritage Rose Society (in limited quantities) in Sydney, Australia. Whilst it is named so after the lady whose grave it was found growing on (in Rookwood Cemetary, in Lidcombe, Sydney) - it is thought to be "Hume's Blush" by some of our rose experts (I am no expert, I simply love and grow them - so cannot confirm or deny this rose is what it is claimed to be).
The photos you see here on HMF were taken by me last October, (2003 in Sydney) at the Cemetary. This bush is growing in the rose garden which is maintained by the Heritage Rose Society and in particular by a lady called Barbara May, who is a very dedicated rosarian and without her, I am sure these roses would perish). They have quite a wonderful, extensive garden of 'found roses' in the middle of the cemetary which is one of Australia's oldest, largest and most historical.
I bought a grafted plant last November for my own garden (in Sydney, Australia) and it is doing very well.
I hope this helps (excuse my not responding to your posts on GW - I am unable to post on there).
Best of luck in your quest for this rose,
Rita.
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Hello Rita,
Do you think your photo of "Agnes smith" would be better placed in the "Agnes Smith" file?
Since your 2004 comment, we have opened a file for this foundling and it is an easy matter for you to move your photo.
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Sorry Patricia, its been some time since I've been on here having sold my property @ Dean Park. Yes, of course, by all means, I would love for Agnes Smith to be moved to the appropriate files. I have forgotten how to do this.
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#10 of 13 posted
21 OCT 11 by
 HMF Admin
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Rita,
Would you like HMF to move your Agnes Smith photos to the proper listing ?
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Again, apologies, yes, please, do move these photos to the appropriate files. thank you kindly. Rita
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#2 of 13 posted
25 FEB 04 by
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Rita,
Thank you for your reply. While I'm sorry to hear that Agnes Smith isn't available in the US (perhaps it will be some day), I am delighted to know that it appears to match descriptions of Hume's Blush. I hope the next step will be a series of DNA tests to try to prove its identity.
Lindsey
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Hi Lindsey,
The closest rose you may have in the US is Bermuda Spice, (aka. Spice). There is some contention as to whether Agnes Smith is Hume's Blush. I do not believe it is, as I have seen better contenders in Australia, which match the old Redoute painting more precisely. Moreover they match the taxonomy and growth habit for Rosa XOdorata very well. The rose that Beales imported to the UK via a "circuitous route" from Sangerhausen was apparently imported to Australia in the 60s by the Ross family in SA (Ross Roses). They still sell this as a grafted rose. But of course, this is of no help to you, as you live in the States. If you like, I could try to send you seed off Australian roses that closely match the Redoute painting, but there would be no guarantee if the seed would germinate or even if it would throw to the original. The results could be interesting nevertheless. Please let me know.
Ian Menkins
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Hi, Ian. Thank you for your reply and your kind offer. Yes, I would be interested in receiving seeds from these roses. I do have Spice and will try planting seeds from it this fall if any of the hips mature, but so far, none have, and the season here is just about over. Do you have an opinion of the "Hume's Blush" which Peter Beales sells?
Lindsey
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#5 of 13 posted
8 MAR 05 by
Ian
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Hi Lindsey,
I have never been 100% sure about Beale's "Hume's Blush" as I have never actually seen it in the flesh. The photos do, however, seem to suggest a slightly paler-looking flower than the Redoute original. But the flower form and the hip characteristics looks correct.
I am trying to source some seed, but as you can appreciate, tea roses produce large hips which often contain only one or two seeds, so seed is somewhat scarse. However, in time I will have some, as I intend to grow all of the Hume's Blush contenders in the garden.
You can contact me further by email on
xxxxxxx@yahoo.com.au
Regards
Ian
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Ian
We have removed your email address from your post as this will attract spammers. Instead please register on HelpMeFind and record your email address there. It will not be displayed but people can contact you through HelpMeFind and if you like you can still remain anonymous.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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Why are neither rose noted in this string (Agnes Smith & Hume's Blush Chine) listed on Helpmefind?
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Information regarding the availability of various roses are supplied by the nurseries. HelpMeFind has introduced a sponsorship program where nurseries can support the site and we can me more information available to users. It has always been our goal to keep the site free for all HMF users, so support of nurseries helps us improve and enhance the site and helps us keep inventories current.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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The description Helpmefind uses is "cream with pink edges aging to red" but mine, when cut, age to white.... On the bush, in the sun, they turn red. Comments?
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Like Double Delight and others which darken with heat and light, Dick Clark will open white indoors and in cool, low sun weather and climates. As you stated, it turns red in the garden, meaning it "burns" with hotter sun and light exposure.
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I didn't ask the second question.... All the pics I see are red, very few pink. Even when I take a pic of it it comes out redder than the real thing... That is what surprises me about this rose. Of course it could just be my photographic capability.
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No, not your ability. It is common for living tissue to photograph with a color shift. Your eyes and brain "see" the effects of light and pigment and interpret it as one thing. The camera records exactly what the light waves reflected into it are, so appear differently from what your eye "sees". It's very common when photographing purple roses for them to come out very red, though to your eyes, they are quite blue. You'll find many comments here in the Comments Section about that particular color shift.
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#4 of 6 posted
2 NOV 11 by
jedmar
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This is very frustrating with some dark red or purple coloured roses. Some expensive cameras have a possibility to adjust for this colour shift. I have found that the best (true-to-eye) pictures are made early morning with somewhat overcast skies.
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That, or in the shade. The "blue" which makes them purple is Ultraviolet, most prevalent in those types of conditions. In traditional photography, a UV filter was commonly used to eliminate the UV from photographs so skin tones were warm enough and all other colors were represented naturally, instead of being too blue.
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As it has already been explained, to some degree, some roses are photosensitive, meaning the flowers change color, especially when exposed to ultraviolet light from the sun. Most of us associate this phenomenon with 'Double Delight', but another more dramatic example in roses is 'Masquerade', introduced in 1949... check out some of the photos on HMF. The two bushes I have of 'Dick Clark' have flowers displaying color change in varying degrees, resulting from their photosensitivity, and weather conditions as well. The base of the petals is often yellow, depending on condtions... check out the picture I posted on HMF. It looks like a good variety. One of my first year bushes exceeded 6 feet. I am anxious to see what the two bushes do next year as they mature. Enjoy your roses!
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Per their web site they only sell cut flowers.....
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Hi,
I would like to use your photo for The Marin Rose, the newsletter of the Marin Rose Society. We would give you photo credits and also would mention helpmefind.
May we have your permission?
Many thanks in advance.
Joan Goff, co editor of The Marin Rose
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Was just notified of your request. Yes you may use the photo.
Ben Boorman
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