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Initial post 27 SEP 12 by goncmg
Havd not grown this one in years, remember fondly the color which was always almost white on the very outside petals and also recall there being a unique sort of "squareness" to the blooms..........Jackson and Perkins gave this one a lot of hype late 70's/early 80's.....maybe not an incredible rose but in the 4 or 5 years I grew it, a really solid rose.......and another one that amazes me has been not only left in the dust but really left in the dust and barely available...................I think it was a J&P rose of the year? Maybe 1977????
Reply #1 of 7 posted 24 APR 16 by Nastarana
New Day/Mabella is being sold at Walmart this year. Seems someone in Tyler decided to revive it. I can never understand how the wholesale companies decide which off patent roses to propagate.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 7 SEP 16 by dan8
I also find it funny, I was able to find Christian Dior and the florist rose Sonia at Walmart of all places.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 12 SEP 16 by Patricia Routley
Goncmg - if you have the time, would you please take a look at a foundling of mine
"Hill Farm Two-Tone Yellow"
I have often wondered if it could be 'New Day'
Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 APR by goncmg
2 years ago! And I JUST got the notification for this! Patricia, 75% of me says New Day/Mabella. 25% of me says no? The leaf is spot on. And that blackspot, lol. I recall the variety having a very boxy, square bloom. I admit I may be "off" on that? In the past 2 years what have you uncovered???? The leaf is spot on.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 8 APR by Patricia Routley
So good to see your name again, goncmg. If you have that little doubt, then I do too. I haven't really discovered anything new, but I haven't really been searching - there always seems too many other things to be done.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
Do you recall how the disease resistance for New Day was? I love yellow roses, but currently only have St. Patrick (which I actually can't stand) and Gold Glow (which I love) as yellow HT's. I'm always tempted to save New Day, but I haven't jumped off that bridge yet. Is it worth the efford?
Reply #7 of 7 posted 9 APR by goncmg
I recall a decent amount of blackspot. Yellow and released in the 70's, unless you are in Palm Springs it is going to blackspot. I recall it being a bit healthier than Oregold and King's Ransom if that helps. And Patricia, the bloom is what is throwing me because I recall New Day/Mabella having an almost squareness about the bloom that I am not seeing here...........
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Initial post 15 MAY 13 by goncmg
Just got this one as a sub from Heirloom...............actually hate striped roses and put it on my alt list as a dare and wow, joke on, what am I to expect? How sickly is this one in humid 6a Columbus? Is it really striped?Does it set hips? Is there any reason I should keep it and not "gift" it away?
Reply #1 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Patricia Routley
I don't have this rose, but it seems, that yes it is striped. It did not have consistently good reports in New Zealand and I suspect that it may not be healthy in your humid climate. According to the Australian patent, the hips are medium to large and pitcher shaped. There are a few more references to be read now.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Nastarana
I consider O & L to be a gimick. I have never seen one that was not a puny, unattractive specimen. You might want to try a rigorous fertilizer regimen, to bring out its' best growth and color.
Reply #3 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by goncmg
Thanks Nastarana and Patricia! Yeah, I figured this one would be a "dud" and I'll see what I can do with it.....why I listed it as a sub when I don't even LIKE striped roses is beyond me, guess I wanted to tempt the fates. Maybe it will surprise me, I will put it on the same "medicine" schedule that Soleil d'Or and Golden Showers get: a little spritz of Rose Pride each and everyday.....
Reply #4 of 14 posted 4 DEC 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I grow it in Tasmania, Australia, with no care at all... it's a tall strong plant.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Margaret Furness
It was very good in my sister's garden in the Adelaide Hills - zone 9b, Mediterranean climate with dry summers. Nice effect with the burgundy leaves.
Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Lyn G
It was a dawg in my San Diego garden. It was the first rose I ever shovel pruned ... and I still have no regret. I do like and still grow other McGredy roses, but this one .... not for me.

Reply #7 of 14 posted 1 MAY 16 by LaurelZ
Can you be more specific about why you did not like it? I saw it in a nursery, and I am posting. It looks ok, its not flopping. The foliage, although I did not get a shot looked very attractive and shiny. It appears that Weeks has reclassified Oranges and Lemons as a shurb rose.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by Lyn G
Sorry to be so late responding ...

In my experience, roses are regional. 'Oranges and Lemons' just did not like my San Diego climate. That does not necessarily mean that it will not do well for you.

When I moved to the mountains of northern California, roses that did exceptionally well for me in San Diego did not like the climate up here. Often the success of a rose depends upon where you are gardening.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by LaurelZ
thank you, but it was sold out. It has nice looking leaves.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 27 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
It's not a bad rose. Blooms well. Color is nice. Survives decently. Average health.

The bad part is the plant architecture, which does not fit into any practical idea. It is not quite a pillar. It is not a shrub or floribunda. It's very floppy. It can be grown decently inside a pillar structure, where it can sort of flop over the top.
Reply #11 of 14 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
I'll add to this...I grew this one when it first came out. In my experience it was a very disease resistant stripe, very bright. However, the blooms were small, you couldn't really cut them as they aren't really on long enough stems, and it throws these giant arching canes. I don't know if it would grow better as a sorta-climber or what. It was just odd and awkward, not necessarily bad.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
The first time I saw a picture of this rose I fell in love and had to have it. I adore striped roses. Floribundas don't grow so well in my garden so I expected to have to put up with extreme blackspot for a couple of years then remove a half dead plant. But not so. It is tolerably healthy with me and flowers on and off all season, never putting on a big display but a continual one. The dark coloured foliage against the flowers adds another dimension to its appeal. However my only criticism is that when out of flower it is a rather unattractive leggy shrub, so I grow plenty of other plants around it and ignore it to the best of my ability when not in bloom. Never growing very high, by the end of the season it just about manages to get 1 metre tall.
Reply #13 of 14 posted 8 APR by LaurelZ
I was able to buy one and I find it to rapid growing, but not leggy. The flowers are small, but don't sag. I suggest maybe its not getting enough sun light or the soil is poor. I also suggest pruning overly long canes to encourage more wide growth.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
It hates the cool wet summers here, if the flowers weren't so striking I wouldn't grow it.
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Initial post 16 JAN 12 by goncmg
This rose was considere the "weak link" of the 3 it shared AARS with in 1980 (Honor and Cherish the other 2) but 30 years later it seems to be the most available if any are and in my opinion for good reason. It is a rose you will never mistake for anything grows bolt straight defies classification, I can make a case for it being HT, or FL or GR as it is............the wood is purple, the leaves are narrow, it is a great candidate for a huge mass planting because the variety lends itself to mass production, every plant is uniform, Columbus Park of Roses has a big healthy bed you can set a slide rule to in height and size every summer.............bicolors tend to be weaker, this one is rather reminds me of Mexicana but is better..........I never have detected any scent...............Redgold is an awful rose in my opinion, living in Chico, CA it was the only rose to get blackspot. We had to look up what bs was, in fact, because when it is 106 with -7% humidity bs just doesn't happen, well, with Redgold (and Jadis) it Redgold is a parent of this one is beyond me..............the un-recorded seedling is something I would like to know.........Perfecta seems to be involved it has purple wood, that is open for discussion re: unk seedling parent..............
Reply #1 of 3 posted 14 MAR 16 by Michael Garhart
I completely agree with you. The other two faded in time. One to massive mildew issues, and the other has poor vigor.

'Love' seems to be a consistent winner among novice gardeners. It does everything they want. It isn't huge. It stands out. It blooms a lot. It can be cut for the kitchen table. And the form, "looks like florists."

Love was bred from 'Redgold', which was among the first roses to breed for mildew resistance. A plague of for red roses before the 1980s. 'Love' was among the first reds to not be plagued by it. I am sure it can get blackspot, but nothing major that I have noticed.

The only thing I personally dislike about it is that the red can go pink with age. But it isn't a terrible thing.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
It's shocking this is a child of Redgold, and I hated Love at first, but it really is a good rose. Ok, so it fades bad, but it is just a simple, easy-to-love rose. It's not fussy. It blooms nicely. It has a perfect, classic shape. The blooms last a long time on the bush. It's a tidy grower. I recommend this one to anyone that's just starting out in roses.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 8 APR by goncmg
Really IS shocking it is a child of Redgold. I have never really believed that. Warriner never used Redgold for anything else, wasn't a big user of any foreign varieties in his breeding, etc............Love was HATED when it came out. Cherish was the WINNER there. So odd. So odd that Cherish isn't somehow related to Redgold as they both will blackspot in Palm Springs in July.............Love has one trait that I have never seen in another rose: all the plants grow the same. There is a now almost 40 year old bed of Love in the Columbus Park of Roses and year after year, decade after decade, that ONE bed----LOVE---always looks the same. Hard winter? Mild winter? Each and every plant is always the same. So rare. Really rare. May be just that bed in that garden except I have heard and read the same from others....Love is just very uniform, very dutiful..........
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Initial post 3 APR 15 by goncmg
Everything about this one is/was 30 years behind. The color. THE NAME. Not a BAD rose at all! Might lack some distinction, might remind a saavy grower of DUET from 1962. May LOOK like Duet x Tropicana. Probably not really up to AARS standards and most likely goes into the AARS "oops" file.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
I've come so very close to getting this rose. I love 70's-ish style orange roses. A lot of times I end up liking roses most people don't like. But, if I get one, something in the garden needs to go, haha. I think Roses Unlimited has this one own-root...I wonder how that pans out.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 8 APR by goncmg
I need to know you, DRoss!!!!!! My email blew up tonight with all of your wonderful comments and we share a love of mid-century orange! Please take a gander at Bolongo Bay, my rose, hybridized in the 2010's but was my shot at 1965-75 O-R GR and I got lucky and nailed it, lol. Actually I was trying to recreate the Lammerts' long lost "Los Angeles Beautiful" from 1967 and figured little Hawaiian Delight was "close enough" to Rumba....
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