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Charles Quest-Ritson
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Initial post 21 JAN 14 by Charles Quest-Ritson
'Cardinal de Richelieu' is NOT strongly fragrant. It is one of the least fragrant of old roses. You might also mention that it is triploid, which suggests that it is a cross between a China rose and a European rose, though it has several other characteristics which point to China blood (including the brilliance of the flowers' colour, the shape of the prickles, and the small, shiny leaves).
Reply #1 of 1 posted 20 MAY by Gdisaz10
i agree no fragrance
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Initial post 5 MAY by hortelina
For Charles Quest-Ritson : I make some search about this rose which was perhaps in my garden when I was a chid, Is it a climber please ??
Reply #1 of 2 posted 10 MAY by Charles Quest-Ritson
Non, c'est plutôt une floribunde aux fleurs groupées. Je l'ai trouvée à la roseraie Foullon à Doué-la-Fontaine [49]. Amicalement, Charles Quest-Ritson.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 15 MAY by hortelina
Merci beaucoup de votre réponse. Amicalement Lina Hort-Fuguet
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Initial post 15 AUG 15 by johnm99
I planted about 40 new Austin roses this year, with a group of 3 Crocus planted together among them. The growth is certainly robust, with canes up to 6 ft (2 m) - but somewhat lax, requiring support. Fragrance is minimal, blooms medium-small and really not that floriferous. Later to flower than many others. Since I have limited space, my tolerance for less than perfect plants is low, and I think I may donate these away in the fall. I do recall seeing these at Austin's in Albrighton being rather more floriferous, and quite large - but I don't remember them being staked up - and I am more interested in fragrance, so I may substitute something more fragrant.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 15 AUG 15 by Charles Quest-Ritson
Be patient. 'Crocus Rose' is one of the bushiest of Austin's roses. Two years hence you will have medium-large flowers all over a well-balanced shrub that needs no support. It is good repeater and never without one or two flowers. As for the scent… that's a personal perception, but I would give it 6 out of 10.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 15 AUG 15 by johnm99
Thanks for the reply. I do recall it looking as you described at Albrighton. Fragrance does vary during the day, and over time, but for me, I would say more 3 or 4 out of 10. Jude the Obscue, Young Lycidas and many others have the level of fragrance I am looking for.

I should add that I have desires that exceed my space! I have had larger gardens, with 450 bushes in the past, and am considerably restricted in space. I have thought that if a rose I have planted isn't quite what I want, I might as well put in something else - I have thought of donating the bushes I don't want to keep as bare root specimens to a local rose society maybe as an auction or something - of my roughly 100 roses I have now, I will likely replace 10% with something else this year. Of course you are right that some varieties need time to show their best.

One peculiar thing I have noticed - my yellow shades are all definitely a paler shade of yellow than I expected, paler than they were in England and Germany. ? missing nutrient? iron? not really sure. They get regular watering with soluble rose fertilizer all season, are in raised beds with 80% compost/20% sand as soil.

In the past I used to just by more and more - now I have to remove some to buy new ones!
Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 MAY by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I once read on Garden Guide site that magnesium helps with deeper YELLOW color. True, my alkaline clay was tested exceedingly high in magnesium, and Carding Mill is always orange (rather than pink for others), and Versigny is orange (rather than pinkish for others). Magnesium suppress phosphorus (phosphorus shifts bloom to the red zone), so the yellow stays pure.
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Initial post 1 MAR 16 by Charles Quest-Ritson
Please can you make the following amendments to the data at the bottom of the page: [1] the rose was named after l'Amiral de Bougainville, not Bouganville [2] Cochet's name was Christophe, not Christophre.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 1 MAR 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Charles. Done.
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