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Charles Quest-Ritson 
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I have grown both cvs. in the past. I think 'Belle de Crecy' has more white at the base of the petals (I mean the upper sides of the petals - both have pale reverses). And the leaflets of 'Boula de Nanteuil' are more narrow. Both appear to have the sort of mottled colouring that is associated with virus, which makes the form and colouring of the flowers rather variable.
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'Ipswich Gem' was bred by Robert Ward who lived at Ipswich, England. It was advertised in 'Curtis's Botanical Magazine' in 1867; this is the longest running botanical magazine, dating from 1787. 'Ipswich Gem' is described as a Hybrid Perpetual as 'brilliant rosy carmine; large and very double petals, smooth and beautifully disposed, with a fine outline; very distinct in growth and foliage'. It was advertised widely for a few years, but it is probably now extinct.
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jedmar
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Thank you, we added several early references to Roberd Ward's roses. Breeding years for John Hopper and Ipswich Gem moved to an earlier date, parentage of Mrs. Ward to the earliest record in 1862.
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Responding further to Charles Quest-Ritson’s photo comment.
Dear Charles,
I too have always been a little puzzled by the colours quoted for ‘Sir Winston Churchill’. I took material of a Rose originally planted in c1959/60 from the David Martin private garden in 2002. From the HelpMeFind photos, it appears that this rose may have been from the same clone as in the next paragraph.
In June 2013 Pat Toolan, being a Churchill Fellowship lady, kindly sent propagating material of David Ruston’s large plant to John Moore, head of Grounds and Gardens, Churchill College for, I believe, the 50th anniversary of the death of Sir Winston Churchill.
Do you have the provenance and back story of the <2020 Hampton Court rose?
We have the red photo from 1956; the 1959 and 1962 references which quote palish and buff pink colours; and most references quoting deeper pink with orange/salmon. Perhaps Mr. Hazlewood was right when he said in 1957 “colour varies” and I can only suggest that the Hampton Court rose be planted right alongside the Ruston clone. It would take some years to get results, but these things do.
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I'll see what Plant Heritage can tell me and come back to you on this. Charles.
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Churchill College has now confirmed that the specimens I saw in England last year come from the budwood that Pat Toolan sent from David Ruston. Their exact words are: 'The rose was sent over by Pat Toolan and it came from Ruston’s Rose garden in Australia and we had it budded at Peter Beales. The colour of the printing might not be the most accurate in 1956, we find the rose when it is in tight bud it is deep pink and when it opens it goes salmon pink with the shades of orange at the base.' I'll send the e-mail to you separately. So it is probably just another example of how quickly the yellow pigment in roses fades in the heat and sunlight of the Riverina.
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Thank you Charles. A great outcome. It is wonderful how knowing the PROVENANCE can show that a rose blooming in different colours, in different countries, may well be the same rose.
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