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Robert Neil Rippetoe 
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Umm, I felt very guilty but had to rate Crescendo as a tree rose. It is DISASTROUS! It tolerates heat very poorly and rebloom is only fair, it is also a thrips magnet in midsummer. It's ironic that as little as it reblooms, it immediately gets attacked, but thrips do love certain pale colored roses and seem to leave the striking, deeper colored roses alone. When I had its parent Gemini tree rose, it was always a fantastic rebloomer and the thrips were never such a problem. Gemini also tolerated heat very well! And note, the Crescendo tree rose is shielded with enough afternoon shade as well. Other tree roses I've had did fine with the hot summer sun exposure! They just do not tolerate 4+ weeks of non-stop rains. This time Crescendo was shielded from the rains so I cannot comment about its rain tolerance. Color was good for one Crescendo tree rose, the other Crescendo was not a very appealing cream-white and it held very little pink. However, I really liked the fragrance.
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Too bad. In my experience 'New Zealand' and most of it's offspring fare poorly in hot weather.
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Thank you so much Robert for adding the importance of the parent lineage and its effects on the poor heat resistance factor. This will definitely help other people take note of why Crescendo can be a problem, especially with the exposed grafts as a standard / tree rose.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 7 days ago by jmile
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I have a completely different experience with Crescendo----We just had 107 degree heat in Brentwood California---This rose didn't even flinch. I have 4 bushes and they are all in constant bloom. I do not spray and do not use commercial fertilizers and they do great. I just use alfalfa --- they are planted in an old horse pasture and get no shade at all.
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Initial post 16 OCT 09 by Don H
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The July 8, 1956 edition of The Saint Petersburg Times reported that the parentage of Sterling Silver was "a cross between the well known hybrid tea rose, Peace, and a grey blue-lavender rose called Morning Mist".
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19560708&id=n9ANAAAAIBAJ&sjid=M3YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5601,3780064
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Great information Don!
I thought 'Morning Mist' by Fisher might still be offered for sale, but when you go to the Brentwood Bay Nursery Website, it says they offer the Austin rose by the same name.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=38003
Apparently the Fisher version is out of commerce.
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 16 OCT 09 by Don H
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Morning Mist is a dead end as far as the lineage goes. Gladys listed it as a selfling of one of her other hybrids which she didn't name.
The roses that are listed in Gladys Fisher's patents are
Peace - patent 591, as female
Rapture - unpatented,as female
Rome Glory - patent 304,as male
Happiness - patent 911, as female
New Yorker - patent 823, as male
Golden Anniversary - patent 806, probably as female
Masquerade - patent 975, probably as male
Mission Bells - patent 923 as male
Talisman - unpatented, as female
R. M. S. Queen Mary - patent 249 as male
Rome Glory - unpatented, as female
Better Times - patent 23 as male
Orange Nassau - patent 350, as male
Floradora - unpatented as female
Fashion - patent 789 as male
Of these, Rapture is the only one that is a greenhouse rose and which looks to me like it might otherwise fit the bill as being grandparent to SS.
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Fascinating.
I would have bet money 'Grey Pearl' was lurking somewhere in the lineage of SS.
Mrs. Fisher must have been very pleasantly surprised when SS popped up.
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 27 FEB 10 by Unregistered Guest
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hmmm.....I actually read an article somewhere.....in fact it was from a book about rose names, and it talked about gray pearl as being one of the parents of sterling silver. I think that lineage would make a lot of sense because gray pearl is a very weak rose and sterling silver is not a particularly good grower from a whole variety of reports. Mine grows reasonably well and is healthy. Go figure. I live in pennsylvania. Maybe my climate is well suited for it.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 16 MAR 10 by Don H
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Robert, it turns out that Morning Mist never made it to the marketplace. See
news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19560530&id=rmgsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YMsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2951,3561950
I think you are correct about Grey Pearl lurking behind Sterling Silver. My guess (yet again) is that Morning Mist was an OP seedling of Lavender Pinocchio. The timing was right, and you've pointed out elsewhere the ability of Lavender Pinocchio to pass along fragrance.
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Fascinating. I bet you're right.
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The 1956 article said she'd not introduced it, however a bed of a lavender HT named Morning Mist grew at Rose Hills Memorial Park Rose Garden in Whittier, Ca until the late 1980s. I was permitted to take cuttings there several times and Morning Mist and Dennison Morey's Mountain Haze were two I tried to propagate and failed. They grew there until the rose gardens were removed and replaced with the Rose Hills Rose Trials.
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 17 JAN 12 by Don H
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Wow. Any chance you took photos of Morning Mist?
I do hope somebody in a suitable climate preserves VID Sterling Silver after Vintage closes.
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Hi Don, unfortunately, I don't think so. I don't remember photographing it and when permitted to make a cutting run, I would have been armed with a specific list of material to gather and the supplies necessary to accomplish it. The garden was nearly seventy miles from home and rush hour traffic as well as time to process the material were taken into consideration. I most often didn't carry my camera with me for fear of dropping or otherwise damaging or losing it. Those times, I was on a "mission"! The more I dig into this, the more I'm beginning to wonder if what we have ISN'T Sterling Silver, but perhaps Morning Mist? Weak plant, too few petals, etc. You know how easily things are mistaken and confused in the trade. And, you've probably experienced any lavender rose being responded to as "LOOK at the Sterling Silvers!"
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 8 days ago by Benaminh
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Don, University of California Davis Foundation Plant Services has an extensive VID list and is offering virus indexed Sterling Silver cuttings and budwood:
http://fpms.ucdavis.edu/rose.html
As of 07/10/13, listed under "Custom Services," they charge about USD $2,000 to clean any rose variety of virus, but require three plants and two years' time.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 16 MAR 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Greast post Don! We should get someone to update that info. BTW, I found the book that said Grey Pearl was a parent. It's called: A Rose by Any Name: The Little-Known Lore and Deep-Rooted History of Rose Names
by Douglas Brenner and Stephen Scanniello.
I think your reference is much more reliable and accurate so I say we should definitely get that officially listed. (Nevermind, it already is.)
:) Thanks. Getting the lineage for this one is actually kind of a big deal, as almost all of the lavenders are derived from this plant it seems.
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Rose Listing Omission
WS408
Bred by Werner Schenkel (Germany 2010)
Hybrid Spinosissima, Hybrid Moyesii
Dark red, distinct pink eye. 5 petals, 2" diameter, born in small clusters, once-blooming in spring.
Spinosissima type thorns / prickles, bushy. 7 - 9 leaflets.
(Rosa spinosissima x Red Nelly) x R. moyesii
Photos available in my journal
Is this the right place to get it listed in HMF? or do I have to contact HMF directly by email?
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Fascinating hybrid. Congratulations!
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Thank you for the flowers :)
you saved my day.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 28 MAY by Jay-Jay
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Hybrid Moyesissima?
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Yes I am still looking for a nice name. thought about something like Halo but found that´s already "branded".
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 29 MAY by Jay-Jay
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Wieso nicht auf Deutsch: Aureole oder Strahlenkrone?
Sind das nicht auch tolle Namen?!
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Ja ich habe nichts gegen deutsche Namen und Deine Vorschläge finde ich sehr gut!
Ich kann mich im Momment aber nicht entscheiden.
Vielen Dank!!
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 3 JUN by Jay-Jay
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Auf jedenfall eine sehr gut gelungene Kombination! (vom Bild her)
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fair-pol from Ralph Moore is 'Fairy Moss' X polyantha nana. Believed to be tetraploid. Habit of a polyantha nana.
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Tetraploid? Seems unlikely.
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