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Initial post 3 days ago by HubertG
I'm hoping one of the tea ladies can help with this rose. It is planted in the Barbara May Rose Garden at Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney, Australia, so I assume it's a foundling that has been renamed, but I'd like to know what name it has been given so I can look at more photos of it. It appears to be an intermediate between a Tea and a China, bright dark red, and velvety (my photographs don't pick this quality up that well). I've been looking at my photos and the early photos and illustrations of 'Princesse de Sagan' and seeing similarities, I am wondering if they could be the same.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
Maybe better photographing it in the morning- or evening light or on a cloudy day. Better red colors and less UV.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
I agree. It fact I hadn't planned a visit here at all and was just nearby and decided to drop in and it was about noon. I was using my phone to photograph the rose, and dark or bright reds are always difficult to capture accurately with it. None of the roses were labelled. I'm really curious about this one. This photo captures the velvet a bit better but is out of focus.
Reply #3 of 9 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
It looks (as if) without prickles.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
It did have thorns, but wasn't overly thorny. You can see a couple on the branch at the top right here.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 3 days ago by Margaret Furness
Billy Teabag is off air for while.
The garden is looked after by the Sydney branch of Heritage Roses in Australia. I'll send a contact email address via pm.
I don't know if they planted "Camnethan Cherry-red" there. The plant given the study name was collected in Victoria.
To quote (from memory) the Indian Rose Journal: Plants in public gardens should be labelled, as the public like to know what they're stealing.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 3 days ago by Jay-Jay
Reply #7 of 9 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
I have grown "Camnethan Cherry Red" before and my impression was they weren't the same rose.
And I can't believe I forgot to smell it, although simply standing near it I didn't detect a perfume.
Reply #8 of 9 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
If you were able to find out, I woiuld love to know its “study name” HubertG
Reply #9 of 9 posted yesterday by HubertG
I sent a message to the lady who should know. I'll post its study name as soon as I find out.
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Initial post 6 days ago by Blue Zinnia
Wow, that color's extraordinary (and the shot's excellent, too)! What are you feeding that puppy? :)
Reply #1 of 1 posted 6 days ago by Jay-Jay
LOL: Lots Of Love... I guess, it was due to fall and less sunlight and/or lower night-temps.
But alas, it didn't survive our late cold winters. The scent b.t.w. was heavenly!
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Initial post 19 NOV by Zingiber
This is the best rose I have ever disliked. It is very floriferous, smells beautiful, has big blooms and is (by far) the most vigorous of all my roses. Heaps of basal breaks, and very little disease. Sadly the colour for me is quite dreadful - it starts out passable, looking like a gaudy second-rate "Peace'; but the flowers fade very fast so that the red edges become a blotchy pale tint of cerise and the yellow a washed out muddy cream. The overall appearance of the flowers is quite dull and too similar in hue to the new growth (bronzy green) so they get lost and look messy; and they clash a bit with the mature leaves (dark olive green). Some of the flowers pictured here look much brighter and cleaner than mine and make me envious. I wonder whether it is just my soil?
At any rate, I am giving it away. It is far to good a rose in every other respect for me to feel good about destroying it, but it continually tries to make me feel bad - flowers its heart out, trying desperately to make me happy! Can't keep a plant which makes me feel this conflicted!
Reply #1 of 2 posted 20 NOV by Jay-Jay
Thank You Zingiber. Maybe more people should tell or show, how a rose can look disappointing too, like You did.
I showed that for Pierre de Ronsard, or Eden in my last photos:
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 days ago by Zingiber
I should mention that I garden on the East Coast of New Zealand, where the summers are hot, dry, and windy. We have had an exceptionally cloudy and wet spring this year, and the second flush just blooming on my SP is much better than any I have seen yet - the yellow is clearer, and the pink is restricted to the petal edges. I think the blotchy dull pink look SP gets must be a reaction to high UV, maybe similar to the way Double Delight turns red when exposed to sun. The plant itself sailed through our last summer (the hottest and driest on record) without any irrigation, so the heat tolerance of the bush is fine.
most recent 25 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 NOV by Margaret Furness
of course I knew when I planted it that it was spring-only, but it seems to have short flower-life and a short flowering season in my garden. Is that the experience of others?
Reply #1 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
It is interesting you say that Margaret because I grow this rose as a climber together with 'Aschermittwoch' and I was slightly disappointed that they do not flower together for a longer time although it was very hot and dry in June. 'Mousseux du Japon' was similar, my disappointment being greater because it is such an ugly rose as well.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Jay-Jay
In a bit cooler year, it flowers for weeks in a row (a month as one might see looking at my photo's of this rose made in 2015) in my garden... And yes, the flowers last just a few days, whilst changing color.
This year almost no flowering due to the storm-damage.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Margaret Furness
Too hot a climate here, perhaps. I've realised the rose books are right: Centifolia muscosa is the best moss.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Patricia Routley
I photographed an inflorescence on November 21. I hope to remember to photograph it progressively over the next fortnight or so. But it is still cool here and I gather hot there.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 25 NOV by Margaret Furness
No, we've had one nasty hot day and then wind, hail and RAIN. Still cool for the next week. But I don't think Wm Lobb will flower for more than a fortnight, and Laneii doesn't look as if it will do much better.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
What about 'Nuits de Young' if you wanted a dark moss rose?
Reply #7 of 7 posted 25 NOV by Margaret Furness
Thanks for the suggestion. Alas, it's not time for me to increase the number of roses I grow!
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