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Initial post 25 JUL by Jay-Jay
Reminds me of Narcissus poëticus.
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Initial post 11 MAY by Dirk77
Hi guys,

I have a beautiful specimen of Golden Celebration in a pot and it's doing very well. My Question is ( for roses in pots in general): Should i add compost mixed with cow manure to fill up the pot? I've noticed that after two years the soil inside the pot is shrinking. Compost with cow manure was my first idea. What do you guys think?
Reply #1 of 5 posted 11 MAY by HubertG
Hi Dirk77,
I grow a Lady Hillingdon successfully in a large pot and I have never repotted it in 20 years - it's just too big and heavy. I just top up the soil with compost and lucerne mulch each year. It works well and she seems to be very happy. I originally planted it with the graft below the soil so I'm sure it's on its own roots now. Your specimen is very beautiful, but I wonder if eventually you might need a larger pot. For compost I like aged horse manure if you can get it.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 MAY by Dirk77
Thx Hubert for your response,

Eventually ill need to re pot it into a larger one but for the next couple of years the compost / manure mix seems the best option. The Austin's tend to do quite well in pots. I water them every day and once a month i give them a handful of organic mineral fertilizer. They seem to need lots of food and especially water. I always wanted Lady Hillingdon but I'm scared that the winters in Belgium are a bit too cold for her. Instead I've planted my garden stone walls with Etoile de Hollande ( first year now) and Mme Isaac Pereire. That last one is pulling of quite a show.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 MAY by HubertG
You're welcome Dirk,
Lady Hillingdon is supposed to be winter-hardy for a tea. You might like to try the climbing form. If you look at the members' comments under Climbing Lady Hillingdon, jedmar says he grows it in Switzerland with some basal protection, so it might be worth a try where you are. The colour is richest in cooler temperatures anyway.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 24 JUL by Jay-Jay
Marnix grows Lady Hillingdon Cl. in the province Groningen Netherlands:
With a very good outcome! For questions about growing this rose, You might send him a PM.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 24 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
I look after a 'Lady Hillingdon cl.' for a lady in my village. I have trained it against a south facing wall. It grows through a terram membrane covered in slate chippings so the roots are cool and moist. It gets fed twice a year when I give it a scat of fish blood and bone. In these conditions it flourishes. It survived the winters of 2009 and 2010 when temperatures dropped to -18C. We also usually get cool wet summers too and it still grows and flowers well. On another cottage 'Étoile de Holland cl' grows very happily in this environment on a cold north facing wall that never sees any sun.
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Initial post 11 MAY by Dirk77
Hi rose friends,
I planted a specimen of Pierre de Ronsard in May 2016 against a South facing wall. The plant is very healthy but it lacks growth. It has some blooms but very little new shoots. It's still only 120 cm tall. I've always heard that Eden / Pierre is quite vigorous but my experience is different. Does it need some time to establish and really start growing? As i said: it's very healthy and the 10 flowers i get are stunning and keep on the plant for more than two weeks. I can detect no smell wich is the only negative aspect of this rose.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 24 JUL by Jay-Jay
I missed this post from You.
I wrote as a reaction on a similar question from sweethearofJ:

Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 AUG 16 by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Eden needs some time to establish. Over here, it needed almost three years, to grow from a bush-like form into a climber. And yes, it takes some time to start blooming and in our garden it has 2 or 3 flushes, with just very few scattered flowers.
It can get a very little bit of Blackspot. I fertilize twice a year in March and June. Only watered it a few times in the first two years after planting.
Right now it's having it's this years' second flush.
Just exercise some patience....
Good luck!

Ik zou U hetzelfde willen aanraden. (I would like to advise You the same)

Right now, despite the drought, the heat and the blazing sun, it flowers. The coloring is more intense. A scent can be absent, but can be strong too, when the circumstances are right: A cool morning with dew, or a damp sunset after a not too sunny day.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 24 JUL by Dirk77
Laten we dus maar wat geduld oefenen ;-) Let's have some patience then
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Initial post 30 JUL 14 by Palustris
I have found a couple of plants of this rambler in the Woods Hole and Falmouth regions of Cape Cod where Michael Walsh sold roses and hybridized them 100 years ago. This rambler with its flowers that vary from white to crimson does not match the description of any in his catalog. We do know from his catalogs, though, that he sold ramblers from other hybridizers such as 'Silver Moon', 'Turner's Crimson Rambler' and 'Ghislane de Feligond'.

I would like to know if anyone recognises this rambler.
Reply #1 of 13 posted 30 JUL 14 by Jay-Jay
Might this possibly be Excelsa? See
It reminded me of Fernande Krier a sport of Excelsa.
Reply #2 of 13 posted 31 JUL 14 by Palustris
'Excelsa' is very common in this area, but the rose in the photos is quite distinctive. Excelsa's flower clusters are quite uniform in coloring starting out a crimson and fading to a deep pink and finally to a "dusty" pink. The rose in question has flower clusters where some flowers are crimson, others pink and a few almost white. It is quite an unusual rose and most likely 100 years old because it is found growing with other roses bred by Michael Walsh and sold by him.

Fernande Krier is an interesting suggestion, but the photos here on HMF don't appear to be of the same rose; although it is certainly similar. Could it be another sport of Excelsa?
Reply #3 of 13 posted 31 JUL 14 by Jay-Jay
As I said, it reminded me of Fernande Krier. And it could be another sport... Fernande Krier does also sport back and why not partially?
I'm not an expert, but just a rose-lover. Maybe some-one else might shine his/her light on this-one.
Good luck!
Reply #4 of 13 posted 31 JUL 14 by Patricia Routley
I once saw a photo of 'Harlequin' that Pat Toolan took in Sangerhausen. My memory of it tells me it was very much the same as the photos of 'Fernande Krier'. They are both sports of 'Excelsa'. I had a 20 minute look in the UK Annuals this morning, but couldn't see anything relevant.
Reply #5 of 13 posted 12 JUL by Palustris
Now that 'Excelsa' in my garden has done the same thing, I think we can be certain that it is 'Excelsa'.
Reply #6 of 13 posted 12 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
Palustris, are some of the 'Excelsa' flowers completely double with a button eye?
Reply #7 of 13 posted 13 JUL by Palustris
No Andrew, I have not seen that. 'Excelsa' when fully open on a healthy plant, shows a small circle of golden stamens and the flower opens to slightly "flared". The base of the petals is white. See
Reply #8 of 13 posted 13 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
Sorry I wrote the message in a moment of confusion about the rose picture you posted on 30/7/18 which looks like it has button eyes.
Reply #9 of 13 posted 13 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
Now, I just discovered this rose growing in half a dozen gardens in Dolton. By far the largest plant is in a hedgerow belonging to a fairly recently built house, the owners said it was there when they moved in and had not a clue what it was called. The receptacles and pedicle are hairy and lots of sprays carry flowers with up to half the petals a much darker pink. They open rose pink but fade to almost white with dark pink spotting. Unlike a lot of this type of rose the prickles are sickle shaped and the leaves paler than 'American Pillar' and 'Excelsa'. I thought at first of the rose at Woods Hole...
Reply #10 of 13 posted 14 JUL by Palustris
At first sight, it looks remarkably l like the 'Debutante' grown at the Woods Hole Historical Museum. However, upon closer inspection the leaves are the wrong shape and the flower stems don't seem to have as many small prickles. I have uploaded two more photos of 'Debutante' attempting to show both these issues.
Reply #11 of 13 posted 14 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
The pictures are interesting. The Dolton rose does not have many prickles at all and those that it has are small and thin. The flower stems are very smooth and prickle free although the receptacles are bristly. There are tiny prickles on the mid rib underneath the leaves.
Just being devil's advocate, did Woods Hole ever go through a period of neglect or do you think a careless gardener might have at some point muddled the rose labels up? I have to say it would be very intriguing to find out the U.K. Débutante was wrong! If it is what on earth is it?

Did you hear from Dan Russo yet?
Reply #12 of 13 posted 16 JUL by Palustris
Andrew, the 'Debutante' at the Woods Hole Museum is a clone I made from the Lowell family rose here in Barnstable that was purchase directly from Walsh and identified by Dan Russo. That clone is now 5 years old and was planted on a trellis on the side of the museum.

The Walsh Memorial Rose garden suffered several periods of neglect over the years, but fortunately, the locations of the individual plants was recorded in the Museum and each of the roses is easy to identify. The only one in question is 'Summer Joy'. The buds on the 'Summer Joy' in the Walsh Memorial garden are not a pure white. See my photos:

Dan doesn't have internet access at his summer cottage so is not always available for email.
Reply #13 of 13 posted 18 JUL by Palustris
Andrew, I heard back from Dan Russo and he says that he sent 'Evangeline', 'Sweetheart', and 'Maid Marion' to Vintage Gardens. I checked the VG catalog and he is credited with providing all three roses. He did not provide VG with 'Debutante'.

I have been keeping records of my rose acquisitions for 30 years in a database. I received the correct 'Debutante' from VG in April 2003. That is the same year that Dan identified the rose at the Lowell family home. The two roses were a match.
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