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most recent 1 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 JUN by Jay-Jay
Not so complicated:
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 JUN by Andrew from Dolton
Have you ironed it?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 JUN by Jay-Jay
Yup, indication Linen, dunnow what temp that is.
Or is it the wrong rose?
It was uncommonly hot and sunny the past days/weeks. Up to 30° C.
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most recent 30 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 28 AUG by Andrew from Dolton
'Souvenir de Philémon Cochet' or 'Blanc Double de Coubert'?
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Reply #1 of 15 posted 28 AUG by Patricia Routley
If it is highly fragrant, then 'Blanc Double de Coubert'. If not then it is more likely to be 'Souvenir de Philémon Cochet' (from which I can get no perfume).

I suspect there is world-wide confusion on 'Blanc Double de Coubert'. Because of its reputation for fragrance, we would all like to have it and nurseries may have sold another rose in its place. The references lurch from large hips, small hips, to no hips. The height varies as well, not to mention the parentage. (I note that Kamchatika is said to set a lot of hips.)

I am guessing, repeat guessing, that the parentage may have involved kamchatika; it sets no hips; is low; and has a perfume to knock your socks off. (It will be too low for your nose!)
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Reply #2 of 15 posted 28 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Patricia,
I have been pondering a reply. My plant is highly scented and constantly repeats like 'B D de C' it and has hips which according to Suzanne Verrier 'S de P C' does not produce. However, my plant is 11 years old and has made a spectacular rounded bush 2m X 3m but has not produced a single sucker although being on its own roots. There is almost no deadwood on it despite never being pruned.
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Reply #3 of 15 posted 28 FEB by Jay-Jay
Blanc Double de Coubert suckered like mad in the past for me, but that was on a peaty/sandy soil.
Fragrance is "umwerfend" like the Germans would say. (knocks You over)
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Reply #4 of 15 posted 28 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
That is interesting Jay-Jay because I'm still not convinced that it is 100% 'B D de C', but the fragrance certainly is "verbluffend". Its one fault is that there is seldom a flower that does not have some brown petal or part of a petal otherwise from a distance it is beautiful.
It was -10 last night and snow is predicted for today and tomorrow.
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Reply #5 of 15 posted 28 FEB by Jay-Jay
In our and a friends' garden the flowers were of the purest white... no brown petals.
In fact I got that rose from those friends as suckers. They boasted about the astonishing fragrance. The rose surrounded their house and driveway and in the summer whilst sitting outside and enjoying a self-cooked Indonesian meal, we were surrounded by that BDdC scent and the sound of clocking and picking Brahma-chickens accompanied by their impressive rooster.
Over here right now, it's snow-white with a blazing wind (it was sunny this morning, but now cloudy) and a temp below -7°C. Tonight we'll get -10 too.
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Reply #6 of 15 posted 28 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
It's very pale pink in bud then pure white and like your friends' very scented pure white but with some brown bits when the flowers are fully open. By-the-way I am rather envious of your Indonesian meal. My father worked for a Dutch based company and my parents' best friends were a Dutch/Indonesian couple who used to cook really delicious food. Many of their friends were Dutch, I grew-up on drop and hagel slag!
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Reply #7 of 15 posted 2 MAY by HubertG
I don't grow it now, but I remember my BDdC (which didn't set hips) had rather bright almost light green foliage that complimented the flowers beautifully. Beautiful scent too.
Your photo shows rather darker foliage - maybe the difference is cultural, or even photographic - but I don't remember mine being quite that dark green. I don't remember mine having regular brown marks on the petals either.
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Reply #8 of 15 posted 2 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
The picture was taken in the evening but the colours are a fairly true representation.
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Reply #9 of 15 posted 2 MAY by HubertG
Do you think it could be R. rugosa alba plena?
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Reply #10 of 15 posted 3 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
I've never heard of that rose before and yes I think you're right that is my rose.
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Reply #11 of 15 posted 3 MAY by HubertG
It could explain why it sets lots of hips.
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Reply #12 of 15 posted 3 MAY by Margaret Furness
Early on in my time with heritage roses, I learnt the abbreviation WIHHA - what I have here as.
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Reply #13 of 15 posted 26 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
Even when the weather has been perfect it is difficult to find a flower without brown bits on it somewhere.
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Reply #14 of 15 posted 26 MAY by HubertG
Do you think that is an inherent fault of the variety, or do you think it could be damage from something like thrips or something else?
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Reply #15 of 15 posted 30 MAY by Andrew from Dolton
I think it could be a bit of a fault, I have never seen much thrip in the garden or pollen beetles, or maybe because the climate here is cool and wet although this year so far it has been warm and dry. I've posted a picture of the rose. It is twelve years old has never suckered or been pruned and has very little dead wood.
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most recent 27 MAY HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 MAY by bumblekim
This looks like a sugar coating! Old picture but I started reading up on Mutabilis since I have one in an EXTREMELY protected, special corner where two sides of my house come together, in zone 5!! It is alive now entering her second year. Will be fun to see how big she can grow this year...
I planted it about 12 off the house so might also be getting some root warmth from my leaky-fieldstone basement, and is planted right next to another cold-intolerant- Fortune's Double Yellow. I like to push the floral envelope :)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 MAY by Jay-Jay
The plant died in 2012 after it was relatively warm until January 25. Than frost came down to minus 15 and no snow + lots of sun. That freeze-dried the rose and it didn't recover like Étoile de Hollande did.
I planted a new-one (own root and not grafted) last year, but it doesn't thrive. Maybe a warm west-facing wall might do the trick... but I do not have one. Good luck trying Bumblebee-Kim.
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most recent 25 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 16 MAY 11 by Hei_hei
Does anybody know if this rose is going to be released in Europe?? Or if there is any European company associated wit J&P...
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 26 JUL 11 by HonzaPM
Please, we need this rose in Europe. Help us. :)))
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 21 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Totally agree - I am eagerly waiting for this White Hybrid Tea to make it here to Europe too. It is getting good reviews. I will ask Hans van Tage in Holland, Rozenkwekerij de Bierkreek to see if he can get permission to import it from Jackson and Perkins. Very strange that a rose with this name has taken so long to get here :-) - Many Jackson and Perkins roses are rarer here in Europe than - elephants perfoming - Le Spectre de la Rose.
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 21 APR 12 by HonzaPM
Niels, thank you for this information. Let´s stay in touch in case of any news you got.
I keep rose Annapurna in my garden, it may be simmilar to Pope. It´s fragrance is fantastic.
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 21 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
I am sure we can get a nursery to import it if - Jackson and Perkins will allow it to be sold in Europe. It is rare to see a white rose -so pure and white since most white roses get spots due to rain or even just from the humidity that dew gives. And most say it has a very good fragrance too :-) So let us hope we can get it here by budding time in July/August - and then we needs to wait a year for the plants.
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 24 MAY by Just-one-more-rose
Does anyone know if this has changed? I'm in the Netherlands and haven't found it online here or in Germany
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 24 MAY by HonzaPM
Hi there, yes, this rose is few seasons already available in Europe. In Czech Republic it is sold by Starkl. They also have nurseries in Austria and other countries.
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 24 MAY by HonzaPM
Here is the direct link.
https://eshop.starkl.at/edelrose-papst-johannes-paul-ii-1-stk/
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 24 MAY by Just-one-more-rose
Oh, thank you very much! Perhaps HMF can add Papst Johannes Paul II to the names?
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 24 MAY by Jay-Jay
Bij mij groeit ie in de tuin. En in Vilebranch Bramble.
It's growing in my garden. And in V.B. too.
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 24 MAY by Just-one-more-rose
Oh, that's wonderful. What is Villebranch Bramble? (Google doesn't give anything) Do you by any chance remember where you bought it? The link above from HonzaPM is in Austria, with branches in Eastern Europe, but not delivering in the Netherlands.
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 24 MAY by Jay-Jay
This is: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.22186
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Reply #12 of 12 posted 25 MAY by Just-one-more-rose
Oh, it's a person :-) Thank you
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