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Karl Rand
most recent 12 JAN 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 JAN 16 by CarolynB
Cool shot! I like the lighting you captured, and the sky and clouds behind the flowers.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 JAN 16 by Karl Rand
Thanks, Many rosarians complain such shots are 'unsceintific' as they have little value in positively identifying particular roses. Somehow I feel many rosarian pedants have never really seen roses for what they are, especially some of the more officious ones who who consider themselves 'authorities'.
Anyhow, thanks for your comment.
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most recent 2 APR 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 APR 14 by Smtysm
Gorgeous shot; luminous and subtle
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 1 APR 14 by Karl Rand
Maybe so but many rosarians criticise such shots for having a narrow depth of field. I can understand though that as, for purposes of unambiguous identification, you can never have too much clarity.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 1 APR 14 by Smtysm
They do? I thought narrow depth of field was considered a Good Thing? I certainly love it, in rose shots.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 1 APR 14 by Karl Rand
There are those who tell us detail and botanical accuracy are of primary importance and others like us who enjoy a more subjective approach. Take for instance this year's Hertiage Roses in Australia calendar. Many of the shots have an isolated bloom within a totally black background. A very dramatic and, in my opinion, attractive design. Several of the leading lights in HRiA objected strongly to this approach. ( no names but you know who you are) scuttling any attempt to give the calender a wider circulation. This last is sad as the proceeds from the sales were to go towards a fund to preserve and maintain the national rose collection at Renmark.
Maybe the calendar should have been sold with a warning. 'Photos within contain artistic content' !
My view is there's room for both approaches when used in the correct place. So, for instance, if a discussion takes place here on HMF about identifying a rose shots should contain as much clear detail as possible. If issues of identification have been solved then a more artistic approach works for me.
Here we are also confronted with the dreaded issue of photoshop manipulation. I have nothing against using such software IF the aim is for instance to achieve a published colour closer to what the person who viewed the rose directly knows it to be in reality. To 'zap it up' though is pointless. But hey, what do we think is done with all those shots in rose catalogues and more importantly in rose references?
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 1 APR 14 by Smtysm
Personally, the black background on some shots isn't my coop 'o tay, but I got the calender anyway, because it's ours and that is a nice feeling. The blooms themselves were beautifully photographed; it was just the blackness that is a bit heavy for me, like someone's portrait being just their head hanging in space, with no neck or shoulders. I'm hoping next year's will be a bit more naturalistic. But that's completely subjective, and I had no idea there had been any controversy around it. There's no need for it; people can take turns; this year, black velvet, next year bouquets/vases, the year after that on the hoof/in situ, or a mixture, like this year's. I try to take a mixture of shots. Some are what I hope is pretty, some are what I hope is informative. If both can be achieved at once, great. I'm in complete agreement with you re: photoshop.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 1 APR 14 by Karl Rand
"But that's completely subjective, and I had no idea there had been any controversy around it. There's no need for it; people can take turns; this year, black velvet, next year bouquets/vases, the year after that on the hoof/in situ, or a mixture, like this year's."
On the surface there may be no need but the personal politics within HRiA isn't unique, It's endemic human behavior in groups and clubs from the Red Cross to your local lawn bowels club. Sadly HRiA is infested with a particularly malignant power struggle between individuals and regional groups that often prevents better outcomes. Take for instance the organisation of the next national conference to be held in Nth Tasmania. A vicious power struggle and machiavellian back stabbing has destabilised this to such a degree I chose not to not renew my membership and not attend any of the conference events. This isn't the place to mention names or go into any details but believe me, the cat fight goes on.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 2 APR 14 by Smtysm
Lawn bowels :DDDD

My diaphragm is in pain from LingMAO.

Excessive mirth; the refuge of malignant machiavelian power infestation-o-phobes.

It appears you're miffed, to say the least. Which is a lot pleasanter than being sad or scared. It's true, human nature. We try to harness/subdue/redirect stuff with varying degrees of success. I hope a harmonious outcome will be found. Thanks for sharing this with the greenest-gilled newchum out there :) If the fray is too much, long live the green gills. The eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. But thanks also for shining for me the euphoria of few holds barred. I hope there will be nothing but a little teacup tempest, if that. Wishing you the best of creativity and joy.
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most recent 2 APR 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 MAR 14 by Smtysm
This picture is just pure beauty.
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Karl Rand
Thanks . Taken with a very cheap and outdated digital camera early in the morning.
I think it's the contrast between the pansies colour and the rose that makes it so satisfying.

By the way, what is a 'Rustler'?
I notice also you're a photographer. I suspect I could be a mutch better one than I am but my very limited budget prevents me investing in a decent camera - - so I make do with what I have.
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Smtysm
It's not what you've got, but how you use it, as you so wonderfully demonstrate. We avoid doing the things our old cameras can't do well, and make the most of their strengths. Mine's an old point-and-shoot too, a canon powershot. I'd love to get a nice new one now, and expand the possibilities for new types of shots. My old analogue SLR was a nice camera in its day. I miss that functionality. Do we have to be photographers for actual money to be 'photographers' here? I've been taking pictures almost all my life. I think that if you love taking beautiful shots of roses and can do so, you're a photographer.
This is a lovely little rose. I'm hoping to acquire it soon. I wish it had more scent, but for form it beats 'The Fairy' imho.
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Karl Rand
I got mine from Simon Voorwinde a rose breeder in Nth Tasmania. He's using it in his breeding program to often startling effect. If you use the HMF search engine you'll probably dig him up here.
Not what you've got, but the way you use it? At my age I'm damned lucky I can still 'use it'
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Smtysm
lucky for our beauty-seeking eyes that you can :)
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Karl Rand
This is getting dangerously ambiguous,especially considering I'm a gay male.
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Smtysm
If aesthetic sense is somehow connected with gayness, then bring it on!
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Karl Rand
Not always, many of my kind have a total lack of anything like an aesthetic sense.
In general I find the entire 'gay aesthetic' as practised by professional interior decorators for instance often nauseating.
When it comes to roses I notice my tastes vary considerably from the gay rosearians I know. I tend more towards singles and loathe most of David Austin's very tight roses. But hey, even at my age I notice my preferences changing.
Back on the subject of rose photography, I wonder if you have any hints on how to overcome overexposure so many digital cameras give when taking shots of white roses in bright light.

If I don't answer your next tiz because I'm soon off to bed for a well earnt sleep.
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Smtysm
I used to feel the same about David Austins, as if they were over-produced. It's not the billions of petals i'm not so keen on now so much as the monochromacity, if that's a word. Well it is now anyway :D. I love many old roses for the variations in the shades of hue and tone they present. As for age and changes in taste, I'm sure our tastes would keep developing and changing forever if not for that little inconvenience of our having to cark it. People get too busy dealing with physical annoyances to have time to explore new things, and then that losing battle takes over. Somewhat exasperating.

Photographing white roses I've had mixed results. For a little while I loved the backlit effect with the petals more opaque where overlapping. That's making the most of one of the strengths of digital; the nice wide dynamic range. I've tried photographing them on dull days [not great; a bit boring] and in shadow with bright sun on surrounding things [can be nice, but you feel disappointed there isn't any glow on the bloom], in bright light [mixed]. My fave for light blooms so far is in the shade with just enough backlighting tp provide the equiv of those shining eyeballs they can do in film; you get a nice rim of light around the petals. I also love dappled light; heresy probably for certain experts. I find if I get close enough to the bloom, the autoidiot exposure determiner won't expose for the foliage. It's a matter of making the light-coloured bloom the main thing the camera sees, and then it will expose for that and bring the whole exposure back to more like the range you need instead of exposing for the darker foliage, which burns out the bloom.
I heed rules only minimally. Just take heaps of experimental pictures and see what works. That way you get surprised by odd things. Not that you need my advice, fine photographer!
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Smtysm
I think a rustler is someone who goes abroad looking for interesting roses to encutting. That probably describes just about everybody here.
http://statebystategardening.com/state.php/newsletters/stories/confessions_of_a_rose_rustler/
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 31 MAR 14 by Karl Rand
'Encutting' is a new term to me, not that I'm fully versed in rosarian terminology. I've only had an interest in roses for 8 years and I'm a slow learner - - and getting slower. I have particular trouble with the classification of types. I find this mostly irrational and arbitrary with little or no basis in botanical science.
I also have had a very mixed experience of rose clubs having joined the Heritage Roses in Australia Nth Tasmania group some years ago soon to depart due to the absurdity and viciousness of internal politics. Not a wasted excercise though as I've made friends
Thanks for the white rose photography hints. Somewhere I read there's a recent model digital camera that overcomes the problems of exposing white under bright light. It all makes me wish I still had my old Nikon SLR to play with.
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 1 APR 14 by Smtysm
My old camera was a Nikon too.
Apologies if ‘encutting’ was misleading, though I’m gratified that it looked legit. I mess around with words for fun, but is ‘encutting’ pushing the envelope? ‘Endear’; en and adjective/noun. ‘Envisage’; en and noun. ‘Enrobe’; also en + noun. Maybe it could be viable, if it could survive its birth- if we were to deploy it with extreme prejudice against all resistance. Just the kind of fun for mavericks, fearless iconoclasts, and china shop bulls.

I’m very new to roses myself. I find the classifications fascinating, mostly for purposes of finding out general attributes of the various classes for purposes of making sensible rose choices. Or at least trying to :). That’s not so much botanical as practical. The Vintage Roses website has/had lots of good info on habit, foliage etc, things we often overlook in our zeal to have or see the most perfect flowers. The ultimate in botanical basis will be when all the genetics get analysed and provenance ascertained. That will REALLY be interesting.

Regarding clubs, in my teens long ago I read in some novel the phrase ‘I’m not a joiner’. Words edged in light, as Frank Herbert would say. And etched in memory. Long track record as a withdrawer. In fact, Tassie looks from here like a very nice place to withdraw to :) I’m trying to stick with my rose club and benefit and be useful, placing my trust in good people to be welcoming and warm and bear my imperfections. But there’s a time to stay put and a time to light out, and the individual is the rightful arbiter when it comes to that decision, generally. Still, nice to have open options to connect with people who share the common appreciation. Maybe sometime if you join again, troubled times might be long past.

About the whites, any camera that gives you control over shutter speed and/or aperture is one you can use to prevent over or underexposure, if you have a fair idea how the light meter in the camera behaves. Basically, the camera wants everything to be grey, the goldilocks tone [not too dark, not too light], so when it sees white, it tries to underexpose. That means we need to increase the amount of light the object gets, against the advice of the camera/light meter. It feels a bit scary, decreasing the shutter speed or opening up the aperture for a pale object, but that’s the logic. Here’s a little article on that. http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-metering.htm. This article makes mention of new metering technologies that might have been what you’ve heard of that can supposedly automagically manage bright subjects. But maybe you know all this!

I really don’t think I’m one who can tell you anything new about capturing beautiful images of roses. You have that well in hand. Your photos are truly lovely. What we both need now are decent manual DSLRs.
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 2 APR 14 by Margaret Furness
Karl, I'm not sure you realise that comments on hmf are very public. Hmf is about roses: let's keep it that way.
Margaret
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 2 APR 14 by Karl Rand
Margaret, I fully recognise comments on HMF are very public, hence didn't name anyone.
If you find my approach irrelevant or breaking the site rules feel free to censor me.
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most recent 22 FEB 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 22 FEB 14 by Karl Rand
Possibly 'Heidekonigin'?
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