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Aurelija D.
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Initial post 11 APR 17 by Nastarana
A poster at the gardenweb suggests that this rose might be the lost 'Anna Marie' by Peirce, bred by Pierce but attributed to Samuel Feast.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 JUN by Aurelija D.
It looks similar to Baltimore Belle There also seems to be some confusion about Aennchen von Tharau and Eurydice, but those probably are the lesser candidates, considering APG is found in US?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 4 JUN by Nastarana
What I grow as Aennchen von Tharau , supposedly an alba/Ayreshire hybrid, looks in foliage very like an alba, and nothing like APG.
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Initial post 3 JUN by Aurelija D.
My Tolstoi finally is in his teens and pretty big. Very enjoyable rose, stays clean no spray, cooperative with training, vigorous, blooms reasonably long, about a month at least (considering the weather, I am close to the North Sea coast, so usually cool summers). Little thorns, blooms shatter, sets hips. In the cold weather old canes turn red-ish in color.

Blooms, in size and shape, remind a bit those of Caroline Testout or Constance Spry or Paul's Lemon Pillar. Color is more similar to Constance Spry, just does not bleach in the sun like Constance. Habit is also a bit similar to Paul's Lemon, just more flexible and so far more bushy.
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Initial post 7 APR 17 by Nastarana
Has anyone considered 'Jean Lafitte' as a possible identity for this rose? It was found in two locations in CA which are several hundred miles apart, so it likely is not a chance seedling.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 JUN by Aurelija D.
What I can see from Jean Lafitte photos, it looks more like Tolstoi (aka similar to Constance Spry or mm Caroline Testout size-shape wise), just paler pink/peach. Also habit seems to be similar, large flexible canes, and then the rather short blooming laterals.
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Initial post 12 JUL 15 by Aurelija D.
In that rare occasion when it does not ball, it is rather nice rose, fragrance is quite lovely, foliage is rather clean, plant is big boned and rather cooperative. Unfortunately, she is a champion of balling and proliferation, out of 50 or so blooms, maybe 5 open, the rest just rot on the plant, regardless of the weather. Here she has no value whatsoever as a decorative plant.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 22 JAN 16 by StefanDC
The images and description of your rose here do not closely resemble the plant that we have in the U.S. under this name; photos from other parts of Europe generally appear to agree with our version as well. Yours looks somewhat more tea-like in foliage, maybe even tea-bourbon, and the flowers of our 'Aennchen von Tharau' do not ball or proliferate like yours do. Have you considered that your rose might actually be misidentified? I would not be entirely shocked if it were actually 'Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison', or something very similar.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 24 JAN 16 by Aurelija D.
I don't grow SdlM so it is hard to compare. My Aenchen does not resemble a tea rose though, it is also quite hardy and once blooming, height so far seems to be correct as well. Regarding US, you have to take the climate into consideration, over here it is damp and cool in the summer, temps hardly going above +20C when the roses bloom - tends to make many "great" roses feel rather miserable. This one is particularly prone to the weather - I can imagine it could open fine where it is dryer and warmer, but here it is horrible.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 JUN by Aurelija D.
2 years later and I am also in doubt if I have a correct rose. I have checked the nurseries here in Europe and it seems that photos vary quite a bit. :/
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