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John Sheldon
most recent 2 MAR 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 24 APR 07 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
Quite often passes on Fragrance to its offspring
Astor Perry told me to use this rose to increase fertility in offspring
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 25 APR 07 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Interesting! Thanks John!
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 26 APR 07 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
While I used roses like Mr Lincoln, Chrysler Imperial, and Crimson Glory to try to add fragrance to my seedlings, I found that Alec's Red is most often in the fragrant seedlings that I have kept. Far too often with the others the seedlings either lacked form or disease resistance and were discarded.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 26 APR 07 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Thanks John, yes, I love descendants of Fragrant Cloud but many have disease issues. I might play with Alec's Red. At least I won't remove my specimen for now in hopes I get to it one day. Fragrance is very easily lost as you know.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 26 APR 07 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
I used Fragrant Cloud for years as well but in the end I don't have even one seedling that I kept from it. Alec's Red isn't perfect but when I look at what I have kept, I find most are related to it. Good luck!
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 2 MAR 16 by Michael Garhart
Too much 'Peace' in it for my blood. Same bs pattern here, and the blooms melt.

But I think it is a good "all arounder" type. But not for breeding.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 2 MAR 16 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Old thread! Yes, I've moved on...
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RoseJACyes
most recent 16 SEP 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 JUL 05 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
This information on the parentage was taken from the Patent Application for filed Henry Fonda

"The primary objective of this breeding was to produce a new rose variety having the excellent vigor and dark green foliage of the female seedling, combined with the bright yellow, broad petals and vigor of the male parent. "
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 15 SEP 06 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
HI John, do you have parentage information for 'Henry Fonda'?  Thanks, Robert
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 16 SEP 06 by Sheldon, John & Robyn

 


Robert


Go to the US Patent Office website and look up Patent # PP9,390 That will give you as much information as is pubically available on Henry Fonda.

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Reply #3 of 4 posted 16 SEP 06 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Seedling x seedling doesn't tell us much, but thanks John.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 16 SEP 15 by Michael Garhart
If I had to guess, then Brandy is most likely the primary parent in its lineage. I do wonder if Sunsprite is also a part of it, but I am uncertain of my guess on that.

It is a really bad rose here. Horrible stem issues in the winter, and blackspot in the summer. Most people as well just go with Midas Touch, since MT is healthier in non-arid regions.
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most recent 30 MAY 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 JUN 07 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
On Page 122 of Herb Swim's book, Roses-From Dreams to Reality, while talking about Katherine Loker he says, "Its importance, as I see it, is its role as one of the parents of Jack Christensen's GOLD MEDAL." Considering that both Herb and Jack worked for Armstrong Nurseries I am wondering if the listed parentage is corrected?
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 10 JUN 07 by Lyn G
John,

All of the references listed with 'Gold Medal' show the parentage listed on the rose page. I checked Swim's book and saw the reference you referred to in your post. I think it's necessary to find a source where the rose was registered or Christensen listed the parentage to determine whether or not the parentage should be changed.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 10 JUN 07 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
I doubt we'll ever know for certain but I found Herb's comment to be interesting. I grow Kathern Loker and would not argue if someone wanted to say it was a parent of Gold Medal.Below is a picture of Kathern Loker. Considering it is a good pollen parent and Yellow Pages, which finishes with a pink tinge on the petals, is listed as the seed parent, I could see where Kathern Loker could be the pollen parent. It's just something to think about.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 30 MAY 15 by Michael Garhart
Mmmm... I kind of doubt it. The seedling is probably Shirley Langhorn, which I think is where GM gets its very linear nature and want to color bleach. Also, the lineage GM brought seems to suggest against KL as a parent.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 11 JUN 07 by Lyn G
John........

Here's a link to Jack Christensen's website where he lists the parentage of his roses. The parentage question could really be about other roses listed further back in the geneology, but I think this site confirms the parentage of 'Gold Medal'.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jchristensen/list.html

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 JUN 07 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
Thanks for the link. I'm well aware of the published parentage, my only doubt came in with Herb's comment. Jack has produced a long line of beautiful roses including my personal favorite of his, Lanvin which has Katherine Loker listed as one of it's parents. It's amazing how similar the two pictures on his site of Lanvin and Gold Medal are, although in real life they are not that similar. I also love his rose Midas Touch but then it's hard not to like all of his roses.
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most recent 31 JAN 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 31 JAN 12 by Seil
What a great color! And I love phototropic roses! Will this beauty be available?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 31 JAN 12 by Sheldon, John & Robyn
Thanks Seil for the nice comment. It truly is a beautiful color but needs the right combination of sunlight and temperature to be at its best.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 31 JAN 12 by HMF Admin
You are welcome to add these other gardens.
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