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Deborah Petersen
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Initial post 30 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
There are so many of these older dark red HTs, but this one looks cool!

Instead of focusing on the flowers to ID it, I focused on what could have produced foliage like this. There are many damask red HT lines from yesteryear. Most of them have rather funky foliage, but this one seems to have unusual leaves for damask reds. So looking at what could have produced this seemed like a better idea. I currently considering the Charles Mallerin lines, which can get that rather ovoid foliage type. Still unsure!
Reply #1 of 8 posted 30 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
I thoroughly agree with looking beyond the bloom shots.
Funky foliage? I’ve seen roundish leaves in the oldies. My ?'Charles Mallerin' doesn’t seem to have leaves that are so serrated as in the photos. Probably the way to eliminate this one is to look at the bush as a whole. Does it make basals freely - CM doesn’t. Are they lopsided - as CM can be. But the photos certainly show the almost touchable velvet and a bloom is showing glimpses of the yellow stamens as I have seen in my ?‘Charles Mallerin’. More photos of the pedicel, showing any glands, and the armature on the canes might help.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 30 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
Oh, sorry. I didnt mean CM itself. I intended to mean the roses that came after it, as opposed to, for example, something bred beyond Etoile de Holland.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
I've posted a photo of a pedicel and a few other photos of details (such as they are, this being winter here), with photos of prickles arriving tomorrow, with luck. It is moderately armed, I would say -- not so heavily armed as to strike terror as one approaches, but a smattering of medium-size prickles. The bush produces basals, but hard to gauge relative productivity, given how young it is.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Michael Garhart
It looks good for an older red.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Deborah Petersen
So far it's been a good bloomer (regular flushes, quick turnaround) and healthy bush.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 31 DEC 15 by Patricia Routley
Excellent and clear photos Deborah.
Because of the green wood on my bush and the original bush - and the red wood on your bush;
and the regular flushes and quick turnaround - against my once in a blue moon when it pleases, I believe your rose is not the same as mine and therefore possibly not (my rose is a foundling), 'Charles Mallerin'.
I have added the various characteristics on the rose to the main page Notes.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 12 days ago by CybeRose
I think it is noteworthy that the leaves are often gray-green, like the picture I added from October 8, 2006 - San Jose Heritage
Reply #8 of 8 posted 11 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you Karl. I have added gray-green foliage. The characteristic of red wood is so identifiable. That will be red new wood I think, that I want to ask others to go out and check all their old hybrid teas. For some reason, the “San Leandro Dark Red HT” seems so familiar and fascinates me. Does anyone know Mrs. Madeiros to ask her what decade she can pin it back to?
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Initial post 3 SEP by Desertgarden561
Can this rose be grown as a free-standing shrub?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 18 SEP by Deborah Petersen
No way to know for sure, having not tried it myself or heard of anyone who has, but I think it wouldn't be too easy to deal with, growing that way. A mature plant throws out long, relatively lax canes (10'+), which readily take advantage of any upward support they find (I have to spend time keeping it out of surrounding small trees and keeping it on its own support), while the main trunk is still not that substantial, even after some years (unlike Mme. Alfred Carriere, which has hefty main trunks and can be trained to be freestanding). It would be a sprawling, very thorny thing with massive amounts of biomass, I think (maybe cascading down a hill would work?). Its response to pruning is vigorous production of more long canes so I tend to cut a cane off entirely if I want to stop it from going some direction.
most recent 30 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 30 APR by Deborah Petersen
My plant also has produced some nice blooms this spring and looks better-than-average -- nice photo!
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Initial post 6 JAN 18
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 6 JAN 18 by Deborah Petersen
It is a great hybrid tea. Lots of flowers to cut (last a long time) and easy to live with. This one is a grafted plant, started from a cheap "body-bag" (less than best grade) from the local hardware store. Hope it does well for you, too!
Reply #2 of 6 posted 6 JAN 18 by Andrew from Dolton
It makes a very attractive standard rose too.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 9 JAN 18 by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
What is a standard rose? I'm pretty new to roses so I don't know all the jargon yet :)
Reply #4 of 6 posted 9 JAN 18 by Andrew from Dolton
I was going to write about them myself but HMF glossary does it so much better.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 9 JAN 18 by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Thanks for that. I didn't know you could train a rose to be a standard. Pretty cool stuff!
Reply #6 of 6 posted 9 JAN 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Indeed, roses are very cool.
Reply #7 of 6 posted 9 JAN 18 by Margaret Furness
Pity so many of them bite.
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