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Does anybody have references on this rose please?
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1976 is the earliest I could find at a quick search. See refs.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 days ago by AmiRoses
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Thank you Patricia!
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Rose was discovered by Mrs Joanna Millar rather than bred by her.
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Hi Becky, I made the change. Do you have an approximate date of discovery please ?
How old is this Lady ?
Etienne
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Hi Etienne
We are not sure when she found it, it was possibly in the 70's or 80's, we will ask her. She is in her 80's and has a fantastic garden in the hills behind Cagnes-sur-Mer. Charles Q-R has taken a group to visit and he is quite smitten with the garden and her, I believe. She is a delight. She is friends with the Hanbury family which is how she came to know the garden there.
It was really lovely to see you both on Sunday, thank you for coming and thank you very much pour les cadeaux!
Becky
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From which book did You scan this picture?
And is this Irene Watts (= pink Gruss an Aachen) or Irène Watts (China Bengale)?
I ask this, for I cannot read the text.
I'm puzzling / making an attempt with the help of others, to unravel the mystery about the two different roses.
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Hi Jay-Jay, that's Irène Watts (Bengale) by Guillot from Journal des Roses 1899.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 27 JAN by Jay-Jay
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Thank You Rosefriend for Your information, for some references speak of an (almost) thornless rose, some references say, that it might have some prickles, but they ought to be straight... and this picture/drawing shows a lot of curved/hooked spines/prickles.
So the mystery, this rose Irène Watts is embedded in, deepens.
Do You grow or know this rose Yourselves?
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As the 1899 photo shows, the original china ‘Irène Watts’ had prickles.
The rose that entered commerce via Peter Beales under the name of ‘Irene Watts’ and which he now admits is the floribunda ‘Pink Gruss an Aachen’ is thornless (or almost).
Keith Money, 1985 was the earliest reference to talk of smooth stems. Mr. Money was a friend of Peter Beales and would have got his floribunda ‘Irene Watts’ from Peter. At that time both men were under the impression that they had the china ‘Irène Watts’
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 27 JAN by Jay-Jay
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Thank You Patricia.
I think this seems to be cleared now.
And now starts the search which rose Il Giardino dei Pigri has. (and I have got from him)
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Isn't that Dorothy Perkins ?
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 7 JAN by Thor29
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I thought Dorothy Perkins was darker, I was leaning towards 'The Fairy'
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