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most recent 30 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 4 JUN 15 by AquaEyes
I happened upon this found Tea via the facebook page for "Roses Anciennes -- Vintage Roses", which seems to bear some resemblance to another found rose here in the US. Please compare to "Thomasville Old Told". Thoughts?

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.6257.0

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 4 AUG 15 by kai-eric
so many varieties can look similar. unfortunally, we are lacking better pictures and detailled descriptions of this one.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 4 AUG 15 by AquaEyes
On an antique roses forum, this thread was posted about an unidentified rose in Spain. The found rose "Isabella Ducrot" was also mentioned as a possibility. It would be very interesting to compare the various "sunset-colored" Teas like these, and 'Clementina Carbonieri', and 'Isabella Nabonnand', etc. I'd wager that there's a duplicate somewhere among them.

http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1605176/identify-this?n=46

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 27 MAY by AmiRoses
I have both "Isabella Ducrot" and "Plaisance Pink", they are different. "Isabella Ducrot" is much more changing.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 28 MAY by Patricia Routley
Thanks AmiRoses. I have added your notes to the main pages for the roses.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 27 MAY by AmiRoses
"Thomasville Old Gold" flower is much bigger
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 29 MAY by HubertG
Does 'Luciole' from 1886 sound like it could be a possibility? 'Luciole' was described as having a strong fragrance. Does "Plaisance Pink" have a good fragrance?
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 30 MAY by HubertG
This is also an interesting reference to 'Luciole' - "flower stem roughened like a moss-rose; "- from the 1888 Hill & co catalogue, considering that the photo (ID 317246) of "Plaisance Pink" shows a rather hispid stem.
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most recent 29 APR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 APR by Patricia Routley
AmiRoses, the four photos of 'Wassili Chludloff' are quite pink. Do you recall where the photos were taken, and if the then identification has been changed in the meantime? They certainly do not appear to match the original "coppery red, tinted with yellow" descriptions.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 28 APR by HubertG
This photo is taken from the website roses-crimea.com.
I think there might be copyright on the photo so I won't leave it up long. It does look coppery pink to me.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 28 APR by Patricia Routley
Most most interesting to see some white blooms among the pink. Thank you HubertG.
On a second look, I see there are two trunks, so perhaps there might be two roses - one pink and one white.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 28 APR by HubertG
Could be, but the whiter ones look like faded pink ones to me.

Editing to add: Actually, I think that second trunk belongs to the adjacent loquat(?) tree. It's hard to tell.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 28 APR by Patricia Routley
They look faded to me too. Sort of how "Rosehedge Cottage" behaves.

The world is starting to spin and I can't keep track. Wassily's refs say it was "coppery red tinted with yellow" and yet we are seeing these pink photos.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 28 APR by HubertG
The November1899 Journal des Roses reference calls it "Rose cuivré brillant" or bright coppery pink.

It is listed under the Noisettes that come under their Section 10 heading: "Feuillage vert foncé mat, non lustré. Bouton rose, rose vif, cramoisi" or Dark green matte foliage, without sheen. Bud pink, bright pink, crimson.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 28 APR by billy teabag
I understand this is a photo of the home of a relative of the Nabonnand family and that this is an old plant that has never become separated from its name. A big old plant of Wasily Chludoff's child 'Marie Nabonnand' grows on the other side of the entrance to this house.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 29 APR by AmiRoses
The copper color comes with the sun, you can see it on photo id 44728
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 29 APR by Patricia Routley
Thanks AmiRoses. The sun must be in my eyes because I just can't see as much copper as the 1898 reference suggests. Of L'Ideal', it was said: "The coloring at a distance frequently recalls that of 'Fortune's Yellow'."
Do you have any photos of 'Wassili Chludoff's foliage, buds etc?
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most recent 2 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 JUL 17 by jedmar
Amiroses, where was this photo taken?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 JUL 17 by AmiRoses
At Loubert
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 JUL 17 by jedmar
Could it be 'Rosa multiflora carnea' which Loubert has in their catalogue? Please compare with the link below:

Rosa multiflora carnea
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most recent 1 JAN 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 JAN 17 by AmiRoses
Bonjour Jérôme et Meilleurs Voeux !
Où peut-on se procurer Evegeboll svp ?

cdlt,
Etienne Bouret
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