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twinkletoad (zone 7B)
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Initial post 9 MAR 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
In 7B Piedmont North Carolina, my 4 year old "MAC" loses its leaves and blackspots terribly. The foliage is sparse, light green and not very healthy looking, even with regular feeding. I am going to give it one more season and then make a decision whether or not to keep it based on its performance. It's located in afternoon shade. Disappointing in my garden so far.
Reply #1 of 14 posted 9 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
Do You have some photo's of the plant?
Reply #3 of 14 posted 10 MAR 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
Thank you for your responses. I don't have any photos yet this year, but will post once the weather clears and I can take some. It is located along a fence and small arbor/entry structure with plenty of air circulation. I did some research yesterday rose care/ spray schedules (using Bayer Advanced Rose & Flower Disease Control and rotating with another type of spray). I think if I keep this rose it will require a very regimented spray schedule. I think I was feeding it enough last year but probably did not spray it enough (which I'd rather not have to do for various reasons). I don't think I mentioned that it also barely had any blooms.
In the mean time, I am considering what I would replace it with and so far thinking of Cl. Clotilde Soupert, which I hear balls in wet weather but I'd rather have that than no flowers or leaves!
Reply #4 of 14 posted 10 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
I'm sorry to hear that it doesn't perform well for You.
If I may ask, did You or any-one else spray against weeds at that place?
I do not spray this rose at all, not even the environmental friendly solution, that I sometimes use.... and it performs superb at a not so optimal place. You might look-up the photo's of it.
As I'm a fan, I would recommend Étoile de Hollande Cl. Or the once flowering Erinnerung an Brod. But on HMF You might search and look-up one that might perform better and suits Your preferences.
I looked around over here in our town, when we started with roses and found some good performers.
Good luck.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 10 MAR 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
Thank you, Jay-Jay. No, I didn't use any chemicals on that part of my yard at all because the vegetable beds are in that area. That's a good thought, though. I do have some large trees fairly near, and though the rose isn't in the shade, I'm sure the tree roots are competing for water and nutrients. I will try to give her extra attention and see if that helps!
Reply #6 of 14 posted 10 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
Mine is standing near a very big oak too, and next to pavement... still no problem.
But extra care can't be wrong. The foliage always is a bit olive-green and it might take some years, before it really settles and flowers abundantly and more than once. I gave it as an extra boost home-made compost.

I asked for the weed-extermination, for friends of mine wondered, how it came, that their climbers performed so poor... The neighbours sprayed on a regular basis. Since the neighbours went, the climbers thrived again after a while.
Reply #7 of 14 posted 11 MAR 15 by Patricia Routley
I too had an own root 'Mme. Alfred Carriere' planted in 1998 that never did all that well. Eventually it looked simply dreadful and most of the canes up top were dead and it was a sight I was simply ashamed of. So in 2011 I cut most of the canes right back to about one or two feet. About that time I started making an aerobic compost tea with a little fish tank bubbler and each morning I would take the bucket of tea out and give a rose a slurp of about one litre. I guess each rose received a slurp four times a year. Whether it was the pruning out of all the dead wood, or the compost tea, or at last really settling in, I cannot say for sure, but I do lean towards the compost making the difference. From 2012 it began to be really healthy and vigorous and I have been quite proud of this rose.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 11 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
Thank You Patricia.
Mine is bud-grafted and only old/dead branches are removed. Until now no other pruning.... and it's getting huge. Maybe compost or (aerobic?) compost tea does the trick.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 11 MAR 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
These have been helpful comments, thank you. I have a compost pile, but I have never made tea for the plants with it. How do you make yours, Patricia?
Reply #10 of 14 posted 12 MAR 15 by Patricia Routley
I read of Michael Shoup's recipe for making compost tea (he swears by it), but I never wrote the recipe down. I bought a tiny fish tank air bubbler pump with a long piece of plastic piping and used a big garbage bin. I used to throw in:

Sheep compost (or any other compost) - Three trowels
Blood & bone - one trowel
Seaweed solution - a slurp
Sulphate of potash - one teaspoon
Compost Accelerator (Actizyme) tablet - three
Molasses - a slurp
Water - to fill the bin

This summer I have given it away because lugging a bucket out to roses is getting beyond me. But I am sure it did the roses some good. In retrospect I probably should have chucked in a handful of lucerne (alfalfa?) hay as well.
Reply #11 of 14 posted 12 MAR 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
Thanks, Patricia!
Reply #12 of 14 posted 24 MAR 16 by sanjuanrobin
Jay Jay,
Hi...I was researching info about the two newly planted Mme. Alfred Carriere roses I planted this week, realizing now that I need to replant them to give them more space to grow width wise. But I see you are a plant grafter...
My biggest question: I really want to plant Gloire de Dijon, but searching blogs etc. have noted that those grown on own root stock are weak and short-lived, while those grafted have a better chance. As I live on San Juan island in Washington state USA, I don't really know where to go for one...suppliers of this rose seem to only carry own root stock...What would you recommend or do?
Robin Meyer-Tate
experienced gardner
Reply #13 of 14 posted 24 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Good evening Robin,
You write, that You're an experienced gardener.
Is it an idea, to buy some rootstock Yourselves (I understand Dr. Huey is used commonly in the States) and bud-graft the roses You want Yourselves. It isn't that difficult at all. I have no experience with 'Gloire de Dijon', but member Aurelija does have, probably with a bud-grafted specimen. You might ask her about her experience in a Personal Message.
Please take a look at these demo's in German:
The URL of part two in the next reply.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 24 MAR 16 by Jay-Jay
Part two of the demo:
In case You want pictures of how to bud-graft roses, please send me a PM.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 10 MAR 15 by HMF Admin
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience. Too often members of the HMF community just share their experience with their "keepers". This insight is equally valuable, particularly because you prefixed it with location information.
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Initial post 26 MAR 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
I just planted this rose last year and it didn't receive much care but grew quite a bit. It is planted in the vicinity of two large trees and a 4 ft. fence so it does get some shade in the afternoon. After an unusually cold winter here in North Carolina, this rose is coming out of dormancy beautifully! It looks stronger than ever. I pruned and fed it this week and noticed it is sending up new basal growth and foliage is glossy, dark green. It only bloomed once or twice last year but the blooms were beautiful and fragrant and the plant looked healthy while the rest of my roses looked pitiful from blackspot and japanese beetles. It has long arching canes that look nice along the fence and I'm curious about how bushy it will get. Wonderful rose and I can't wait to see what it does this year! Definitely recommended for this area.
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Initial post 5 MAY 14 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
I recommend Scepter d'Isle! This is one of my favorite light pink Austins so far. I like it much better than Heritage. The shape of the bush is just fine if kept trimmed and is extremely healthy and vigorous. Out of the Austin roses I planted last year, this one grew the most and is absolutely covered in buds. (They are all planted in the same general area). The fragrance is WONDERFUL! A soft, almost powdery rose scent, hard to describe. The blooms don't last too long in a vase, but they don't blow as fast as Heritage. I also have Sharifa Asma, and it would be my second favorite light pink Austin, not quite as robust as Scepter here in 7B but perhaps it's just taking a little longer to get established.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 8 MAY 14 by HMF Admin
Your various posts are much appreciated and informative. Thank you.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 19 JAN 15 by cole
Thanks so much for sharing this information - I'm in the process of trying to decide between Heritage and Scept'rd Isle. Could you share a little bit more about your experience with Heritage and why you prefer Scept'rd Isle more? Thanks so much for your time!
Reply #3 of 5 posted 19 JAN 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
Hi Cole,
I prefer Scepter'd Isle over Heritage because, for me, it is just overall a better plant and thrives without a lot of care. The scent of Scepter'd Isle is heavenly, it blooms non stop, the shrub is healthier looking than Heritage, and grows faster and larger. Also, I love the soft pink, ethereal blooms. Heritage has not been a good grower for me and I may try to move it and see if does any better in another spot. Still, the individual flowers have just not impressed me the way Scepter's has- it's a little more ordinary (but certainly not unlikable). People walking through my garden always prefer Scepter out of all my pink roses, scent-wise!
Reply #4 of 5 posted 20 JAN 15 by cole
Many thanks for your quick response - you've been super helpful to me!
Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 JAN 15 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
You're very welcome- glad I could help! I don't think you would be disappointed in Scepter. I bought mine from Roses Unlimited in South Carolina. I've bought many roses from them and feel they offer very good plants at a fair price, including their shipping fees. Their customer service has also been top notch!
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Initial post 5 MAY 14 by twinkletoad (zone 7B)
I'm in 7B. I planted Buff Beauty last year along a picket fence where it has to compete with some large tree roots, however it does get plenty of sunshine. It has grown faster than any other rose I have ever seen! It went from around 8-10 inches high its first year to at least 4 feet high and 5 to 6 feet wide at the BEGINNING of its second year after a harsh winter. It's covered in buds. This rose is a great choice for someone who wants a large, fast growing climber!
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