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most recent 11 SEP HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 SEP by Arturo Tarak
I have a young own root plant of Isabelle Nabonnand. I'm interested in the architecture of this plant. Instead on an upright bush it is low spreading and tends to fall downwards over a stone edge more like a ground cover. Does any have this behaviour unlike my other teas which are upright. Arturo
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 11 SEP by Margaret Furness
G Nabonnand and its sport Peace (1902) sprawl, and can layer themselves (root down). My Teas were mostly disbudded through their first summer (it was in a drought), and many have made mounds of green down to the ground.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 11 SEP by Arturo Tarak
Perhaps this type of comment could be added to the general description of the plant. I would love to see that section expanded in general. I'm sure that there's much more occurring out in the gardens that has yet to be included. Thank you very much for your comment, because first it outrules my induced temptation of trying to grow my I.Nabonnand in a conventional way. I don't have access to any of its few descendants so I don't know if it is a trait that is transmitted any further. This ground covering habit is a very intersting trait for further breeding.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 11 SEP by Patricia Routley
In my cool, damp conditions in the south west of Western Australia, all the teas grow up and are very bare legged. I would kill for mounds of green down to the ground, but it would never happen here.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 11 SEP by Arturo Tarak
Patricia I love yor addition. It simply proves my suspicion: Variability in growth pattern within any given cultivar. I have to come to grips with this question :how to contribute to this worldwide data base on rose growth variability. HMF local member Rafael Maino has posted quite a few pictures of his bushes and they are upright. My plant is from a cutting from his garden. Is it just cultural practise or there are groundcover sporting forms as there are for climbing? Thank you
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 11 SEP by scvirginia
If the parent plant you got cuttings from lives nearby in a similar climate, could the different habits have to do with maturity?

Do you know if Rafael Maino's plants were always upright, or did they start to sprawl less as they got older?

Virginia
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 11 SEP by Arturo Tarak
Actually the parent plants pictured by Rafael here at HMF are quite older. They are upright and bushy, not sprawling. My plant, always kept its sprawling character just from the start as a first year cutting. We both live in the town, however where Rafael lives is much more humid ( some years his rainfall can reach double of mine) and has less severe winters. My summers can build higher accumulated temperatures. I'm in a more desert type of climate and environment.
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most recent 11 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 AUG by scvirginia
How does this rose compare to 'André Schwartz', which was usually crimson with occasional white stripes, but was also considered (at least by one American grower c. 1884) to be variable in color?

I only ask because the 'Beauté Inconstante' ID seems to lack full confidence somehow...

Virginia
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 11 AUG by HubertG
Maybe even 'Garden Robinson' (G. Nabonnand, 1901) could be considered. There is something about the habit and foliage of "Mrs. Heggie's Red Tea" that reminds me of 'General Gallieni' whose parent was 'Souvenir de Therese Levet' . The pollen parent of 'Garden Robinson' was also SdTL and the age of introduction is about right for the property on which "Mrs. Heggie's Red Tea" was found.
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most recent 7 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 AUG by scvirginia
For some reason I seem to be unable to add references to records I've created.

Until that situation is fixed, I'll add here the reference I planned to add in its proper locale:

Revue horticole, October 1838, p. 120:
Plantes et Arbrisseaux d'Agrément.
Rose Noisette-Billard. — Ce nom a été donné par la Société royale d'horticulture à une rose obtenue par Billard, ancien pépiniériste `Fontenay-aux-Roses. C'est d'aprés la description de M. Poiteau, un rosier vigoureux, d'une belle végétation, qui paraît devoir prendre place à cote d'Aimée-Vibert. Il est digne de figurer avec honneur dans les collections, et M. Billard s'est déja occupé de sa multiplication.

Virginia
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 7 AUG by HMF Admin
We are currently making software changes and expect this issue to be resolved quickly; sorry for the inconvenience.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 7 AUG by HMF Admin
This issue has been resolved.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 7 AUG by scvirginia
Thanks- I've added the reference.

Virginia
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most recent 23 JUL HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 JUL by scvirginia
I love the name 'Pink Phoenix' for a rose that was thought to be lost, but is growing back after all. It's a beautiful color and shape. I hope to see more about this rose once it's fully recovered.

Virginia
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