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most recent 12 days ago HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 days ago by Plazbo
pollen parent on front page is displaying as

< pan class="lnk small">Silver Jubilee ® (hybrid tea, Cocker, 1978) × [ × Maxi]
Reply #1 of 3 posted 14 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Plazbo. This Pan class+"Ink small" glitch is occurring a few times. I can recall fixing at least three.

Admin, is all OK with this glitch?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 14 days ago by Plazbo
It is, it's the second time I've seen it and mentioned it, just did a google search of the site looking for

pan class="lnk small"

Possibly worth having whoever has database access do a search on the parent column/s, it's not widespread but it's happening a little bit and not everything may have been indexed by google at this point.

others affected

Seems to be everything that google can see, sorry for the extra work
Reply #3 of 3 posted 12 days ago by Patricia Routley
All fixed. In most cases it was a grandmother that was missing. Thanks for your eagle eye and nouse to ask Google, and for your sympathies, Plazbo.
most recent 9 MAR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 MAR by Plazbo
I found a post on a forum that said this rose has fragrant foliage, can anyone with the rose confirm?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 MAR by Patricia Routley
Nothing is mentioned about fragrant foliage in the Patent.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 9 MAR by Plazbo

in there you'll see the mention of it.

It's just odd, if it has scented foliage but only one person has ever mentioned it, makes me doubt the accuracy but at the same time why would anyone make that up so figured I'd see I'd check if anyone else could offer information.
most recent 6 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 14 FEB 17 by JasonSims1984
A few people have told me that foetida has fragrant foliage. I see it listed as such under Persiana, but not here in this listing. Does anyone know? Supposedly the leaves smell fruity?
Reply #1 of 11 posted 14 FEB 17 by Rupert, Kim L.
I've not encountered any "Foetida" variant (Copper, Yellow, Bicolor, etc.) which did not possess the "Juicy Fruit Gum" scent to their peduncles, sepals and new growth tips. That scent can carry through a few generations when bred with the right mate.
Reply #2 of 11 posted 15 FEB 17 by JasonSims1984
Thanks :)
Reply #3 of 11 posted 15 FEB 17 by Rupert, Kim L.
You're welcome! That includes Persian Yellow, the double yellow. It has a luscious fruity smell to those parts.
Reply #4 of 11 posted 6 NOV by Plazbo
Do you know of any examples that have carried the fragrance? Like does Soleil d'Or? I imagine if it did it'd be mentioned so probably isn't. I just haven't found anything with it that doesn't have feotida in its name .
Reply #5 of 11 posted 6 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
Yes, Soliel d'Or does carry that type of plant scent. As you visit nurseries and public gardens, rub the sepals, buds, peduncles and new growth tips of the roses you encounter. You will find a surprising number which express various scents through those parts. Of course, the closer to the scented species they are, usually the stronger those scents are, but they sometimes come through some generations away from the sources. Many OGRs carry differing scents in those parts. One of the things which continues surprising me is how many people who have "years of experience" with roses, have never noticed these sources of scent. Not all roses carry them, but once you begin "molesting" the roses you encounter, I think it will surprise you just how many DO.
Reply #6 of 11 posted 7 NOV by Plazbo
Hurray! That possibly alters plans a bit (using a hybrid that has a repeating parent).

In your experience/opinion would crossing with a more glandular plant bring out these scents without molesting (similar to how the sweet briars scent can hang in the air)?

I'm still trying to work out what I'm doing with breeding, foliage fragrance is up there in the interests (along with crested....but Moore's work with that isn't available here in Australia as far as I can tell)
Reply #7 of 11 posted 7 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
I would seem more likely to obtain glandular results with plant scents using glandular parents, rather than those which don't possess the glandular trait, but that isn't an absolute. Add that combining two parents could easily influence not only the type of glandular scent expressed, but also the strength as well as whether it is even expressed or not.

Working with Fedtschenkoana, I observed the plant scents were often passed down, but virtually always in altered scent types. Fedtschenkoana's scent reminds me of "Nobel Fir with hardwood smoke". First generation offspring expressed varying levels of pine, spruce, cedar and further generations altered these not only in strength but also changed what they smelled like. Complete lack of scent in many instances occurred by the third generation, though there were some which still possessed some plant scents. I haven't bred with Foetida, but I would imagine you should see something similar breeding with it.
Reply #10 of 11 posted 6 MAR by Plazbo
I agree, glandular parents would be the way to go it's just a matter of finding them, that info often isn't easily available and seeing the older roses in person generally requires interstate travel....the rose gardens of Sydney are lacking compared with southern states when it comes to older varieties.

The lack of scent by the third generation is the big issue, add in Foetida blackspot troubles, low fertility (if going all the way back to species), lack of juvenile remontancy and it's a bit of a mountain. Soleil d'Or possibly isn't the best option available either but it's the better of the knowns...unless anyone has any suggestions for Pernetiana's with the juicy fruit gum scent to their growing parts.

Possibly worth going to Lady Penzance, at least in theory the pollen should be feotida and whatever LP chromosomes paired up with those....may bring more glandular genes with it. But wouldn't be able to smell the juicy fruit bits over the apple to determine if I even like the juicy fruit bits and no chance of flowers in seedlings for a few years to check sepals,etc is a bit of a "that will take a lot of space"...

I expect to to a lot of line and back crossing any way I's just deciding that first step.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 6 MAR by Rupert, Kim L.
Don't allow that first step to paralyze you. Select several potential mates and pollinate them all. Select the most promising from the bunch and use those observations to help you focus where you believe you should be mining. Unfortunately, with goals such as yours, there are bound to be many dead ends. Spending too much time intellectually determining what the mates should be can cost you much time. Because of the fertility pitfalls you're likely to encounter, selecting your initial parents based upon their fertility and ease of germination will provide you with the evidence needed to narrow your efforts and gain you a great deal of time. Also, collect all the pollen possible and don't be afraid to use it over a long period of time. Under suitable conditions, it can remain viable for a significantly longer period than is generally accepted. Granted, my conditions are likely more conducive to that practice than many others, but it wasn't until I began harvesting every available bloom and holding the pollen a full season, using it on every potential seed parent bloom I was able to make headway with the Minutifolia, Hugonis and now, hopefully, Xanthina, Stellata mirifica, Puzzlement and Spithamea hybrids. Unless you are extremely lucky and can decide on the most beneficial seed parent on your first try, the "shot gun" approach is very likely to provide you with the fastest success. Good luck!
Reply #8 of 11 posted 7 NOV by Margaret Furness
Crested Jewel is in Araluen Botanic Garden in WA - I don't know where they got it from. Probably Melville's nursery before the change of ownership. You could contact Heritage Roses in Aus members to send you pollen.
Reply #9 of 11 posted 7 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
Margaret, Roy Rumsey was Mr. Moore's Australian agent for a long time. Many of his roses made it to your shores through him. His "Rum 10" was the thornless multiflora he obtained from Mr. Rumsey. Odd, as we've not been able to import from Australia for many decades...
most recent 6 MAR SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 SEP 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I have never understood why so many people have chosen to 'favourite' this seedling of mine... it's just a single, pink, once flowering, mulitflora-like rose *shrugs* and the only person to ever see it in person is a friend of mine in NSW, Australia, who was sent a plant of it a few years back... 'tis is a mystery.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 21 SEP 13 by Margaret Furness
Probably the webspider again; it selects roses with no Buy From and/or Garden listings.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 21 SEP 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I'm not sure what you mean by a webspider, Margaret? A search engine can spider a website to index it for searching but it cannot interact with it and do things like activate a favourites button. It must be people doing it... but I just don't understand why?
Reply #5 of 4 posted 6 MAR by Plazbo
I do it because the favourite list doesn't seem to have a limit (that I've hit anyway) while the watch list has (or did for me anyway). Its just easy to favourite a rose of interest to come back to it later.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 8 DEC 14 by Salix
All things said, I wonder what this rose will do crossed with a Rugosa or moss. Note the high gland count on the stems and buds. MORjerry (according to Kim) is the only un-stinky Rugos moss- supposedly the polyantha, and thus multiflora blood. Maybe worth trying, if only because.
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