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most recent 9 APR 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 27 SEP 12 by goncmg
Havd not grown this one in years, remember fondly the color which was always almost white on the very outside petals and also recall there being a unique sort of "squareness" to the blooms..........Jackson and Perkins gave this one a lot of hype late 70's/early 80's.....maybe not an incredible rose but in the 4 or 5 years I grew it, a really solid rose.......and another one that amazes me has been not only left in the dust but really left in the dust and barely available...................I think it was a J&P rose of the year? Maybe 1977????
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 24 APR 16 by Nastarana
New Day/Mabella is being sold at Walmart this year. Seems someone in Tyler decided to revive it. I can never understand how the wholesale companies decide which off patent roses to propagate.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 7 SEP 16 by dan8
I also find it funny, I was able to find Christian Dior and the florist rose Sonia at Walmart of all places.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 12 SEP 16 by Patricia Routley
Goncmg - if you have the time, would you please take a look at a foundling of mine
"Hill Farm Two-Tone Yellow"
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.73908
I have often wondered if it could be 'New Day'
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 APR 18 by goncmg
2 years ago! And I JUST got the notification for this! Patricia, 75% of me says New Day/Mabella. 25% of me says no? The leaf is spot on. And that blackspot, lol. I recall the variety having a very boxy, square bloom. I admit I may be "off" on that? In the past 2 years what have you uncovered???? The leaf is spot on.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 8 APR 18 by Patricia Routley
So good to see your name again, goncmg. If you have that little doubt, then I do too. I haven't really discovered anything new, but I haven't really been searching - there always seems too many other things to be done.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 8 APR 18 by drossb1986
Do you recall how the disease resistance for New Day was? I love yellow roses, but currently only have St. Patrick (which I actually can't stand) and Gold Glow (which I love) as yellow HT's. I'm always tempted to save New Day, but I haven't jumped off that bridge yet. Is it worth the efford?
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 9 APR 18 by goncmg
I recall a decent amount of blackspot. Yellow and released in the 70's, unless you are in Palm Springs it is going to blackspot. I recall it being a bit healthier than Oregold and King's Ransom if that helps. And Patricia, the bloom is what is throwing me because I recall New Day/Mabella having an almost squareness about the bloom that I am not seeing here...........
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most recent 18 AUG 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 OCT 16
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 AUG 17 by mamabotanica
Shoot. I'm also in So Cal and really love the pictures of this rose. It says it's a moderate size (4 x 4 I think) What is "too huge" in your book? It grew a lot bigger than that in your garden? and what exposure did you give it?
Thanks,
Joan
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 18 AUG 17 by dan8
This rose grew 7' at my sisters house.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 18 AUG 17 by mamabotanica
good to know! That's a lot bigger than the space I have for it. Will skip it and indulge in a different one.
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Reply #4 of 3 posted 18 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Check out Geranium Red, much nicer color, better scent & 1/3 the size & very small as own-root. I had seen dozen of Hot Cocoa at local rose park in full-sun, and the color is hard on the eyes, zero scent. Geranium Red lasts long in the vase & can take hot sun & the scent is just as good as Munstead Wood. California & Texas folks raved about Geranium Red, and that's also perfect for my cold zone.
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most recent 10 OCT 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 OCT 16 by dan8
This is a great photo that accurately shows Pink Peace's rich vivid color that just looks downright luminous! I don't know another pink rose that has this amazing shimmery pink.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
Yep, even people who don't usually like pink roses seem to love this one. If it had a theme song, it'd be the Beastie Boys' "You gotta fight for your right to party".
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most recent 3 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 JAN 16 by dan8
I'm growing Mister Lincoln in Zone 9A Northern CA. This rose is a very strong grower here, both grafted and on its own roots. It does not have the most blooms but when it does the stems are always upright, long, and very thick. Its always taking a break during the worse heat of summer. I like the look of Mister Lincoln bush because it's well proportioned with large dark green foliage, the canes don't tend to criss cross all over the place. Mister Lincoln can be incredibly velvety bright red. Have grown it for 10 years here without spraying, and the only problem it gets is mild cases of powdery mildew and a very tiny bit of rust. It always, comes back strong every spring no matter what. My only complaint is that the blooms are one of the fastest blowing of all, barely lasts in a vase before it turns floppy and purple looking. For this reason I rather leave them on the bush where they seem to last forever on the bush in cool weather. If I could only have one red rose it'd be Mister Lincoln.
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 23 JAN 16 by Give me caffeine
Odd you should find them so bad when cut. I always seem to get a few good days out of them, even in summer.
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
I was a bit surprised by dan8's comment about Mr. Lincoln being a well-proportioned bush with plenty of foliage. Mine have always been spikey sticks, with the odd leaf or two thrown in apparently just for the heck of it. Tall and vigorous, but sparse.

Since I discovered the virtues of free horse manure, from the local racecourse's stables, there has been a remarkable transformation. The two Lincolns are now doing quite a passable impression of actually being bushy!

I have concluded from this that they are not so much "heavy feeders" as "ravenous, insatiable, all-devouring monsters" and will continue to feed them accordingly.
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by dan8
That's great!I use bagged steer manure on Mister Lincoln all the time. Sometimes it's the only fertilizer I give him.
I consider Mister Lincoln bad when cut because it lasts only a couple of days and the color also turns a horrible purple/black color really fast. It's just always the first one to wilt when cut, while the others last at least twice as long. It's long strong stems are perfect though.
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
I've taken to throwing the horse poo around everywhere. Great stuff. I'm pretty sure roses would be perfectly happy if planted directly into the rear end of a horse. Although it must be admitted that, while doing this would make the paddock over the road far more decorative, the horses might be somewhat disgruntled.

It's odd your Lincolns are so bad when cut. Mine last rather well, for colour and shape and scent. They open quickly, but once open will keep a good shape for days. Colour does tend to purple over time, but is still pleasant IMO.

Edit: I'm wondering if it's the water in the vase. Ours is filtered rainwater, just because we are on tanks here.
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
If you don't mind me asking, how old is the horse manure? Alfalfa fed? I've been afraid of it new as I read a horrible story about somebody killing their roses with alfalfa pellets. But would love to use it "fresher" if it's not a problem as that's the easiest way to get it!
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
The freshness varies, depending on what's available at the time. Yes, the horses are fed on alfalfa. Not sure what else (if anything) they get as I haven't asked. I should probably check on that.

It's fine straight out of the horse if you are only putting it on top of the soil. You can throw it on top as thick as you like. Keep it away from the canes by a few inches, particularly in wet weather. The only catch is that the fresh stuff will sprout alfalfa seedlings sporadically. This isn't a big deal. Just pull them out and drop them on top.

If you are digging it into the soil, I'd leave it a few weeks before planting in it.

Edit: And while I think of it, my Lincolns are back to being a pile of spiky sticks again. Wind and black spot sorted out the problem with bushiness and actual leaves. :D
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
That's extremely good news, would love to do that! I read a story about a lady who said that it rained and made a toxic soup out of alfalfa pellets sprinkled on top that scared me. But I don't see how any different that would be from making an alfalfa "tea". Thanks so much for the tips, really appreciate it!
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 2 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
Well I put fresh horse poo on about 6 inches thick around a young Mister Lincoln, then mulched it with a couple of inches of alfalfa (mainly so it didn't look like a pile of horse poo). I live in the subtropics, so when it rains it really does the business. Plant has been fine. Seemed to love it.
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 2 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
That would make sense and thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I have access to a lot of manure and alfalfa and it's been a shame to have been so cautious with it!
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 3 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
I suppose I should point out that the only rose disease I see around here is blackspot. Powdery mildew and rust are conspicuous by their absence. So I have no idea if that would affect how roses respond to large amounts of manure and alfalfa.
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 3 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Same here in my no-spray garden in Z8!
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
Oh and while I think of it, when I was looking into using racehorse manure some sources were saying it would kill earthworms, due to the horses being medicated regularly with worming compounds. It doesn't seem to be a problem. I planted a few small things today (geraniums, etc) and couldn't even dig a small hole without massacring half a dozen worms.

It appears that although racehorses are wormed regularly, earthworms haven't read the sources on the web and don't know they are supposed to be dead. As long as you don't teach your earthworms to read the internet, everything should be fine.
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 1 APR 16 by dan8
lol, I'm glad it works for you! Steer manure has proven to be great for roses for me.
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