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Initial post 16 JAN by drossb1986
Does anyone have any experience growing this rose? Despite having the coloring of the faded maroon velour seats in my grandmothers 70's Buick Regal from when I was a child, I've come very close to ordering it own-root from Roses Unlimited. The ARS rating on it is fairly dismal, and they are spot-on with their abysmal rating of Blue River, so I've been hesitant to give her a try.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 MAY by Dianne's Southwest Idaho Rose Garden
I am not thrilled with this one because it so quickly fades.
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Initial post 14 OCT 12 by goncmg
If someone who has never EVER grown roses was to come to me and ask what should they try my answer would be TIFFANY. It, unlike Queen Elizabeth which is also so easy to grow, it LOOKS like what people WANT a rose to look like: big bloom generally on a single stem, fragrant, warm pink lit gold....indestructable....hardy.............for the more saged growers I think it doesn't really "stand out"....it is one of those reliable "work horses" definately worth a place in the line-up but almost BECAUSE it lacks any sort of notable faults or ticks and is basically PINK it sort of gets a little forgotten about but really should be more lauded by us old rose souls..........60 years old and it is available own root, budded, mail order, upscale garden center, grocery store, probably in a fast food drive thru as well (!).........and always has been...............and always should be.........it IS what people THINK of when they think ROSE..........surprisingly it has been a parent to more notable varieties than one would think, too....some pass on the good more than others and Tiffany is one of those....I am a grower who slightly favors the abstreuse and forgets to pay attention to/love the more obvious who perform so well, are so strong, and who were introduced mid-century (my specialty/interest) and are just so SOLID.........this is a GREAT rose...........

For those who are "saged": compare Tiffany to Helen Traubel!!!! Both were AARS early 50's but 60 years ahead there is just no comparison. There wasn't 10 years later in my opinion. Traubel was still highly rated into the 70's but weak necks, no scent, can ball, color is a little mutable, and the plant just sprawls and sprawls messily.............when I think Tiffany seems "bland" I remind myself to look beyond the color and look at the plant, smell the bloom, and so on.............
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 14 JAN 13 by Dianne's Southwest Idaho Rose Garden
I truly appreciate your comment, and completely agree. You led me to realize that I haven't paid due attention to my Tiffany, for just the reasons you gave. Now I can hardly wait for May/June so I can see what I've been missing!
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 2 FEB 14 by Blue Zinnia
Bravo! (or brava, as the case may be.) This is a great case in point for those of us, mostly older folks, who believe that no rose is ever "superseded" or "replaced" by something more modern. This is a great rose, regardless of anything that came before or after; it's simply itself, and very beautiful (ladies, try one of the vase-shaped buds on the lapel of a pale yellow or green summer jacket!!) The fragrance is also something special, and it carries like crazy. Add easy cultivation to that, and you've got a winner, in this or any other decade.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 6 APR 14 by Matt's Northwest Florida Garden
Belinda's Dream, one of the most Blackspot resistant "Large Flowered" roses I grow, came from Tiffany. In the super humid climate of Northwest Florida, this one receives no fungicide spray except one of Lime-Sulfur during the dormant season. Believe me, this is the mecca for Blackspot.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
You give a spot-on review. For me, I almost ignore it as much as I ignore it's child, Belinda's Dream. There's just nothing that really bowls you over about it...except maybe for the scent. I think my biggest issue is that it the blooms are just so floppy and don't last long. 3 days and the blooms go from buds to all the petals blown off. I agree, it's an easy grower, but it's just...blah. It's like meeting the perfect significant other and them having the most bland personality. Great on paper, forgettable in reality.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 APR by goncmg
LOVE your comment! And I do agree that somehow Tiffany may even be the "perfect" rose on paper...alas, not how it plays out for a lot of us......
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 5 MAY by Yankee Doodle Stevie
It sounds like we have rather similar tastes in some regards. I too consider the middle of the 20th century to be the golden age of roses. The vast majority of varieties we have grown have been released from that general era (cheating a bit on either side occasionally.)

Tiffany is indeed an all-time and modern classic. As you say, it is everything one could want in a rose. Where we are, weather can sometimes vary from the 40's one night to 90 degree highs just a day or two later. But ole gal Tiffany just keeps chugging along, looking and smelling great. There is something quite charming about it's silvery pink with gold heart flower. No disease to speak of. Cuts well. My Mom's all-time favorite, I would never be without her.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 5 MAY by Jay-Jay
One ought to try to obtain the climbing version. You could cut long-stemmed roses for the vase too from her.
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Initial post 16 JAN 12 by goncmg
I DISLIKE almost no rose. But I DISLIKE Redgold. We were living in Chico, CA, summer temps in the valley are 95+, often over 100, there is no humidity. NONE. REDGOLD got these weird spots, lost all leaves......we had no idea, had to look it up...............BLACKSPOT?! Yes, in -7% humidity REDGOLD got blackspot. And the blooms would fade and fry in the sun far more so than many...............the plant is sturdy, that I will say, but if I had to answer the question "What roses do you think are morbidly over-rated and for no apparent reason" REDGOLD would be at the top of my list. So bad, it is, in my experience that a few summers ago a grocery store in Columbus has this for sale................the plants were fresh out of the greenhouse and I DO love to "rescue" a rose.............but I just walked on by................Columbus is hotter and wetter than Miami June-September...........defoliated with blackspot in Chico????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dislike this rose. I SAID IT!!
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 16 JAN 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Add Rumba and Charisma to this list and you have my full agreement! I like brilliantly colored roses; oranges, reds and yellows don't hurt my eyes and really good ones are a delight, but none of these have plants under them worth growing and none of them have "clean" colors, turning very muddy and dirty rather quickly.
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 16 JAN 12 by goncmg
I am on St Croix now, I brought MR12 with me and a few old rose annuals, 81 being one of them.............in it is an artricle about most resistant varieties and CHARISMA CHARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY????? LOL............because I agree...........going back to '49, Masquerade really never got topped other than color intensity..............Roman Holiday comes to mind, too...........and Matador...........of all the ones we just mentioned Matador had the best color but good LORD it is a mini-flora by today's standards and yes, the one that tells you there MIGHT be bs in town by running through the streets, defoliated..........
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 16 JAN 12 by Nastarana
I remember when Orchard Supply was puching Redgold in CA, back in the 90s or early 00s I think. There would be a row of half a dozen of nothing but Redgold. Of all possible roses, why that one?
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 16 JAN 12 by goncmg
did you choose your name here, NASTARANA by accident or do you love that little rose? !!!! :-)
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 16 JAN 12 by Nastarana
I did grow Nastarana when I lived in CA, as well as other noisettes. I liked all of them very much. Nastarana had the purest white color and the best fragrance.

I just learned on the Gardenweb, that the name is Persian and apparently has a much longer and more historic lineage than I had realized.
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 14 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
I actually loved this rose, but hated the blackspot. Otherwise, I loved it. But I live next to temperate rain forest, sheltered by rivers, valleys, and mountains. Arid weather is rare here.
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
See, although my Redgold did get a little blackspot, I have quite a few roses that get it way worse (Neil Diamond, Stainless Steel, Rock & Roll, Blue River, Vavoom...to name a few). And, for a body bag rose, it has been very vigorous. It's a little dull right before the petals fall off, but when it's still a bud it's extremely stunning. If it's a bad rose for this type of color combo, I wonder what a good one would be?
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 8 APR by Michael Garhart
Some of us are currently trying out the new Citiscape Firebird. We'll see how that goes. There is Sheila's Perfume, but it's more of a grandiflora. It has huge blooms.

By the way, my Parade Day is really healthy. It's from the same line as Neil Diamond and Rock & Roll. It seems to have been spared the issues. The color is less brilliant though, but I am okay with that, because it smells nice and cuts well. And it's not flopping everywhere like ND and R&R can do. Has a similar plant structure to Oktoberfest.
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 8 APR by Michael Garhart
A few others to consider: Tequila Sunrise. Gets a little BS. Short HT plant. Blooms last forever, but they need deadheaded immediately because they stay on the plant too long.

Quite a few minis and minifloras in this color type, but most have issues as well. But they're mostly okay. My favorite was Dee Bennett, but its quite cold tender.

Flutterbye is a decent pillar rose in this color type, and The Magician is a good climber in this color type. And there is the famous Playboy, which is love or hate, depending if singles are desired.

In Europe, there are (used to be?) more floribundas in this color range. Well, at least in my books anyhow.
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 9 APR by goncmg
Michael, I LOVE Tequila Sunrise! Great call!!!! I got it in error in the late 80's/early 90's from Hortico (of course, lol) and really liked it! In Ohio always killed to the ground in winter but came back short, fat, strong, and always gave a stunning 1st spring bloom. Great foliage. Probably deserved to be better known that it is.
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 9 APR by Rupert, Kim L.
I had Tequilla Sunrise eons ago, rooted from a friend's British import plant. It could be quite pretty and it had sepals which impressed me as being worthy of trying to mine cresting from...EXCEPT, in the mid desert, all I had to do was walk by it with any nitrogen, not actually apply it, but walk by it with it and the plant threw vegetative centers in every bloom. Some were so extreme, they had only a few petals, the rest was all malignant looking growths of multiple buds and deformed parts. The rest of the plant and all new growth shoots were gorgeous and totally normal looking. It was just the flower buds themselves. The hotter it got, the more it proliferated. I finally dug it out and gave it to a friend who didn't care. It grew in the "booze bed" along with Champagne Coctail; Glenfiddich; Foster's Wellington Cup and others with "booze" names.
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Reply #12 of 12 posted 9 APR by goncmg
Kim! :-) I miss being on HMF and love this is how we met all those years ago! I did not have the veggie issues with Tequila Sunrise but I can soooooo see how it would be a variety that would do just that. Stout/fat/eager/thick/hard....petals, leaves, stem a little too fat for the cardboard bloom......for sure................and Glenfiddich just gave me a throw back to Edmunds when Fred and Winnie still owned it and she'd write that catalogue.................Whiskey Mac!
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Initial post 27 SEP 12 by goncmg
Havd not grown this one in years, remember fondly the color which was always almost white on the very outside petals and also recall there being a unique sort of "squareness" to the blooms..........Jackson and Perkins gave this one a lot of hype late 70's/early 80's.....maybe not an incredible rose but in the 4 or 5 years I grew it, a really solid rose.......and another one that amazes me has been not only left in the dust but really left in the dust and barely available...................I think it was a J&P rose of the year? Maybe 1977????
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 24 APR 16 by Nastarana
New Day/Mabella is being sold at Walmart this year. Seems someone in Tyler decided to revive it. I can never understand how the wholesale companies decide which off patent roses to propagate.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 7 SEP 16 by dan8
I also find it funny, I was able to find Christian Dior and the florist rose Sonia at Walmart of all places.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 12 SEP 16 by Patricia Routley
Goncmg - if you have the time, would you please take a look at a foundling of mine
"Hill Farm Two-Tone Yellow"
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.73908
I have often wondered if it could be 'New Day'
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 APR by goncmg
2 years ago! And I JUST got the notification for this! Patricia, 75% of me says New Day/Mabella. 25% of me says no? The leaf is spot on. And that blackspot, lol. I recall the variety having a very boxy, square bloom. I admit I may be "off" on that? In the past 2 years what have you uncovered???? The leaf is spot on.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 8 APR by Patricia Routley
So good to see your name again, goncmg. If you have that little doubt, then I do too. I haven't really discovered anything new, but I haven't really been searching - there always seems too many other things to be done.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
Do you recall how the disease resistance for New Day was? I love yellow roses, but currently only have St. Patrick (which I actually can't stand) and Gold Glow (which I love) as yellow HT's. I'm always tempted to save New Day, but I haven't jumped off that bridge yet. Is it worth the efford?
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 9 APR by goncmg
I recall a decent amount of blackspot. Yellow and released in the 70's, unless you are in Palm Springs it is going to blackspot. I recall it being a bit healthier than Oregold and King's Ransom if that helps. And Patricia, the bloom is what is throwing me because I recall New Day/Mabella having an almost squareness about the bloom that I am not seeing here...........
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