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DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
most recent 22 SEP SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 21 JUN by Domenico 67
Bought one plant of Young Lycidas on own roots, a smallish one year old cutting, at Italian nursery Nino Sanremo, which grows own roots roses with a rather vast catalogue.
It's small, and still has thin branches and small foliage, but it's quite thickly ramified. The foliage looked different from pictures here, and I was wondering if it was mislabeled.
It didn't give any flower at the time of the first bloom, because of those thin branches, but now it's getting stronger and putting out some larger foliage, more true to the photos I see here... and finally some flower buds too, which grow very quickly, but slow down a lot when the colour starts showing. The first one is about to open just now, it's making me wait, I thought it was already opening two days ago ahahah. So curious to see it (hoping it's not mislabeled! the colour of the bud looks right), and to smell that fragrance too.

Update: The label was right, my plant is actually Young Lycidas. Now it's definitely getting stronger, sprouting basal growth even if still not very thick... and I've not even given it a larger container yet (I'm about to do it), I just fed itn generously and helped with mycorrhizal supplement.
I like its flowers a lot, their color reminding me some sort of half-way between an ancient Gallica and Mme Isaac Pereire. Beautiful, and strongly fragrant as well. The smell is really delicious, even if another Austin I purchased, Gabriel Oak, is even better to my nose. Y.L. has some slightly bitter tea undertones that I don't find particularly appealing (they tend to emerge in the evening, when scent fades away a little bit), but in the end the mix is still really good.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 22 SEP by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Thanks for your description. I grew one years ago and it didn't do much for me and I got rid of it because it was lanky and didn't have much fragrance at all. I kind of regret that decision, given what I've since learned about deadheading roses in warmer areas like my zone 7b. I have one coming back again next season. I'm hoping to experience the fragrance and am excited to see how I can shape it as a bush.

But Gabriel Oak....I love everything about this rose, except it's fragrance. It's very strong, and reminds me of hyacinth. It smells great from a distance, but up close, it's not appealing to me. I only experience this in the morning and on cooler days. During the day, it tends to lose that strong hit of hyacinth and has more of a sweet smell that I like. I'm removing it from it's prime spot and keeping it somewhere else, to see what it does when it matures a bit.
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most recent 11 JUL SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 21 AUG 21 by NCgardener
I planted The Poet's Wife earlier this summer and it is quickly becoming one of my favorite plants in my entire garden! The fragrance is exceptionally strong and heavenly on this one-- very strong lemon notes with a touch of old rose. I find myself stopping to smell it multiple times a day! It is still a small plant, considering I only planted it about 2 months ago, but it puts out buds over and over. The blooms are a deep, vibrant yellow for about 2 days before they fade to more of a buttercream color, but I enjoy to color contrast between the new and the old together. I look forward to watching this girl get to her full size!
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 11 JUL by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Mine is still small even though it's in its third season (it's own root and in a large container), but it blooms a lot and always has a nice fragrance.
How's it doing for you this season? Is yours grafted or own root?
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most recent 30 JUN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 14 MAY 18 by Dirk77
This Bourbon is one of those very few historical roses wich have passed the test of time and after more than 130 years she's still wildly popular and it's no difficult to see why.
The real Mme Pereire's first name was Fanny and she was the wife of a very rich French banker, Isaac Pereire. They gave very much money to good deeds and charity. I'll add a photo of the real Mme, Fanny, Isaac Pereire but now back to the actual rose :
I've had this rose for decades and she's still my favorite rose. Her huge perfectly quartered baroque flowers are simply unique, no other rose has such flowers. And yes there is the scent, wich blows you away. It's a wonderful blend of old roses with raspberry and yes it's very powerful especially in warm weather with little wind.
I've grown her as a shrub for years but now she's against my garden stone brick walls and this is probably the best way to grow this magnificent old Lady. Just trim her as horizontal as possible and she will reward you with lots of flowers. I feed her every month starting at March and i continue till August. I give organic mineral granulated manure, a handful each month and ( this is important) a lot of water! I water every day especially when in full flush and between flushes. It gives her the power to take in all those nutrients she needs to grow and rebloom. Against the walls she reaches 3X 2 meters but she's going to get bigger because it's only her third year. She's very hardy and her only weakness is that she's a little bit prune to blackspot but not worse than most modern varieties. After three years against the wall she hasn't developed blackspot wich my other specimens did growing as a shrub. So that's it! I can't tell you enough how much I love this wonderful old Lady.

Growth: 8
Color: 9
Fragrance: 9
Flower quality: 10
Disease resistance: 7
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Reply #1 of 16 posted 1 AUG 18 by Magnus95
Thanks for sharing your experience with this rose! I'm growing its daughter rose "Sandringham" but there doesnt seem to be any information on its growth characteristics, so I thought it best to look at it's parent. From what you say I can certainly see the resemblance in flowering, fragrance and vigour!
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Reply #2 of 16 posted 23 OCT 19 by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Now that yours is a little more mature, how would you say it performs in terms of bloom frequency? Specifically, how many bloom cycles are you getting now? Mine is potted and only 2yrs old. I got one good flush out of it and that was it, not a single bloom afterwards.
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Reply #3 of 16 posted 23 OCT 19 by Magnus95
I'm assuming you're talking about Sandringham, in which case im surprised to hear that! Mine is also potted and had excellent repeat bloom all season. Rarely out of flower even in its first year. Perhaps using a richer, heavier compost might help?
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Reply #5 of 16 posted 24 OCT 19 by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Thanks for your response. I actually mistakenly posted under the wrong thread! Still it might be worth looking into Sandringham. I'm giving more consideration to bloom frequency these days.
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Reply #4 of 16 posted 24 OCT 19 by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Now that yours is a little more mature, how would you say it performs in terms of bloom frequency? Specifically, how many bloom cycles are you getting now? Mine is potted and only 2yrs old. I got one good flush out of it and that was it, not a single bloom afterwards.
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Reply #6 of 16 posted 25 OCT 19 by Nastarana
The MIP which I grew in CA Central Valley bloomed very well with little or no supplemental water. The bush is a thorny monster and is a good choice to plant on a property line if you want to discourage trespass without seeming to do so. Now, I like thorny monsters, confess to an enduring fondness for 'Othello' among others, which I see as a plants that make a yard interesting.
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Reply #7 of 16 posted 3 MAR 21 by peterdewolf
that was a great report, thanks. I've planted this but I'm surprised to hear you feed it each month, I'm an amateur and been swotting the usual advice which says feed roses in the spring, March/April and again July/August. Been led to believe that that is the 'orthodox' feeding regime and I've been warned off overfeeding them. Do you feed all your roses this way ?
Peter
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Reply #8 of 16 posted 3 MAR 21 by Dirk77
Hi Peter,
Yes i feed all my roses each month starting end of March. I basically use a combination of organic/mineral fertiliser low in Nitrogen and worm compost. Worm compost is the best compost in the world especially when combined with lava powder (volcanic stone which has been grinded into powder).
Lots of organic mulch is the premium key. I water all my roses when weather is hot and dry. Roses can't absorb the nutritions when the soil is dry.
So Peter: Compost /cow manure /lava powder.
Friendly greetings Dirk
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Reply #9 of 16 posted 3 MAR 21 by Margaret Furness
I guess frequency of feeding depends on your soil type; sand might well need what you're recommending. I have clay sol, and I feed my plants (mine are all heritage roses) with a commercial seaweed / fowl manure compound. The manufacturers recommend feeding each quarter, but I don't often get around to it more than once or twice a year. I don't use the mix they make specifically for roses, because it contains too much phosphate for my native Australian plants.
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Reply #10 of 16 posted 3 MAR 21 by Dirk77
Peter,
If it works for your roses? Don't change it! Clay soil is good for roses as long as it isn't too heavy. You can make heavy clay soils lighter with milled basalt fiber/powder. But if the roses are doing fine, don't change it. I never give artificial fertiliser, always organic.
Greetings Dirk
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Reply #11 of 16 posted 4 MAR 21 by Margaret Furness
Yes: stay with what works for you.
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Reply #12 of 16 posted 4 MAR 21 by peterdewolf
thanks for the advice everyone. This is my first year at a rose garden. I've been gardening for many years and always had the occasional rose but I have my best garden, location and view EVER in this property, so I've gone for it. 15 climbers and numerous roses, mostly DAs. So Ive no idea what works yet :-)
The soil is a rich loamy texture with a base, about 2 feet down which looks like stratified sand and clay but it breaks up like shale when you put the spade into it. I'm also on the coast, my shoreline is a short stroll from the house and this land was once seabed. So I've prepared all my beds with one year old homemade compost using two year old manure, loads of black and rotted leaf mold, rotted household compost and shredded seaweed and this mix is tumbled in my cement mixer with an equal amount of the existing loam. ( it's got loads of worms in it, lovely stuff ). The planted rose then gets a tablespoon of bonemeal as a top dressing.
Every rose has a deep cool base under the planted area, gets at last a few hours sunlight, some, several, but none of them are planted in any darl and overshadowed locations, all get daylong ambient light. And we get any amount of rain, could do with more sunshine but it is Ireland. According to the zone table I'm in 9b :-)
Ive also prepared, since last year, a big tub of seaweed soup for feeding during the season and I did wonder; as all my roses are 'repeat flowering', if I was supposed to feed them more than the orthodox twice a season, because they are expected to bloom so much.
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Reply #13 of 16 posted 4 MAR 21 by Patricia Routley
peterdewolf - HelpMeFind works best when a comment is confined to the specific page subject. Think about opening a page for your garden and placing comments like this in there.
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Reply #14 of 16 posted 5 MAR 21 by peterdewolf
Ok wil do.
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Reply #15 of 16 posted 15 JUN 21 by peterdewolf
Hi, back again for a little more info. My Isaac is planted in the same well prepared bed as several DA roses, but it has produced miserable growth so far and certainly no buds. It came bare root from DA along with the other roses and it had very sparse canes, it has made very sparse growth but that seems healthy. Is it a VERY slow starter ? This is its first year with me
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Reply #16 of 16 posted 30 JUN by Emily W.
This is the first year I've used both the volcanic rock dust and the worm castings and the difference is amazing! This year the blooms on my MIP are huge and canes are thick. My soil test showed that I was low on some minerals (boron, zinc, etc,) but I have to believe that they are fine now. I did only apply it in the spring, but after reading your post Peter I'll start doing it once a month. What are you using for mulch?
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most recent 20 APR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 APR by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Is yours own root or grafted? I'm considering this for my hot and humid zone 7b. It would be grown in a large container.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 20 APR by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Mine is 12th-year own root, it's 2.5' x 2.5' Abraham Darby is more compact than Evelyn for the pot. Evelyn is a water hog, Abraham Darby prefers fast drainage.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 20 APR by Nastarana
I consider 'Evelyn' a desert rose. IDK how it would handle disease pressure in a humid environment. However, so long as the soil doesn't dry, it might not need supplemental watering. I think it a superb rose and one of DAs best. AD has weak necks, but, in a more humid environment, that might not occur.
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