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Reply #1 of 6 posted 22 DEC by Elizabethspetals
I’m in So CA, just north of San Diego. My Princess Charlene de Monaco does just fine here as long as I give it plenty of water. The blooms do fade in the sun, but I cut mine for indoors most often, so that’s not an issue for me. I’ll warn you though, this rose shot up to 12 feet tall in 10 months. I bent most of her canes and attached them to trellises on either sides of the bush. This produced nice long, straight, laterals, each with a perfect bloom at the end. This rose is an arrangers dream! Nice long, straight, strong stems and beautiful blooms that last. The scent is unique and one of my favorites. I like it so much, I’m considering purchasing a second one!
Reply #2 of 6 posted 25 DEC by mamabotanica
That is incredibly helpful to know! Good thing I now won't plant it in a spot for a 3.5 ft tall rose. Wonder if it would do ok twining around an obelisk?
Reply #3 of 6 posted 31 JAN by Elizabethspetals
Maybe, if you start early enough.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 14 days ago by Lavenderlace
Lisa, have you heard of this extreme height anywhere else or is she just particularly happy with your soil and conditions? I have some coming and can't figure out where to put them! Better for full sun or can she take some shade? Is she picky about the soil? Thanks!
Reply #5 of 6 posted 14 days ago by Elizabethspetals
Hi lav! I’ve heard reports of over 7F tall in zone 7. Others have just said “mine is super tall, too!” If you don’t get any winter dieback, then I would think she’d get tall. She’s pretty narrow, though. My soil is alkaline clay, but my PCDM’s are grafted on Dr. Huey. I’d like to try one ownroot, and see if that might shorten her a bit. I do love her! You can’t find a better rose for cutting, IMO. Lisa
Reply #6 of 6 posted 14 days ago by Elizabethspetals
Oh, and mine are in full sun, so I’m not sure about shade tolerance.
Reply #7 of 6 posted 13 days ago by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much Lisa! It is your gorgeous bouquets that inspired me to get them!
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Initial post 17 APR by zztop
I must have this rose. Where can I buy it in the US?
Reply #1 of 2 posted 9 MAR by mamabotanica
I suffer the same affliction. Did you find any sources?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 14 days ago by zztop
no, unfortunately.
most recent 21 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 21 FEB by mamabotanica
A rose at my mamas house hadn't been pruned in forever. I got in there and found a tag that identifies it as this rose. Also saw that it had been planted in a decomposed wooden box wrapped with a plastic tub mat. I tore that away and tried to bury the roots as best I could. Now I fear perhaps I should have been more tender? How hardy is this one? We are in zone 10 and this rose was well established when the house was bought 8 years ago.
Reply #1 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Give me caffeine
How happy does it look? If the roots got damaged when you messed with them, or if being stuck inside the box means it got badly root-bound, it may need a bit of TLC for a while. The usual thing with any shrub is to prune it back a bit if you have to lose some of the rootball when transplanting, and to give it extra water for a while.

It's a bit late to worry about being more tender. I'd just apply common sense (along with food and water) and see how it goes.

Oh and in Zone 10 and with it probably being spring where you are, I'd think about some mulch for summer. Roses love lucerne mulch. I think you call it alfalfa over there.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 21 FEB by mamabotanica
Thanks much! Will focus on water (praying for rain here!) and deep mulch as we move into the summer. I hope it recovers as it is a lovely rose when it does it's one big show.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
It's a rose that likes cool moist roots.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Give me caffeine
It should do a second show in autumn if it's happy (and if it's deadheaded so autumn energy doesn't go into making hips from the summer blooms). I've seen a Zephy flowering in autumn before.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Jay-Jay
One big show? This rose is almost never without a flower and has several flushes during the season...
Or is the one big show due to the available amount of water at Your place?
Reply #6 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I've picked flowers in November and it was one of the first roses to flower too. It grows well in a cool damp climate.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Margaret Furness
I grow its sport, Kathleen Harrop, on its own roots, in zone 9b. It strikes readily from cuttings, so I'd suggest as a backup, you start some cuttings going.
Well-established plants in my clay soil, with mulch, get little or no supplementary watering; I wouldn't get away with that on sandy soil. We do get occasional summer rain. KH flowers most of the time.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 21 FEB by Give me caffeine
I remember reading that one person (in Vermont I think*) had quite different results growing ZD and KH. He found KH was much more resistant to disease.

Which might sound odd, but then sports are sports because of mutations, and it's quite possible that mutations will also affect things other than colour.

*Found it. South Carolina. See:
most recent 20 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 FEB by mamabotanica
Anyone know of a recent US source for this?
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