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Initial post 20 MAY by Michael Garhart
Half of the nurseries bought like 20-30 Mister Lincolns each, and none of this rose. Holy crap. Why? Mister Lincoln is like 10' here, lol. A few nurseries ordered in 5 or so Lasting Love, which is okay, but completely defoliates here. I will never understand the nursery business mindset.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 20 MAY by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Mr. Lincoln is a sparse bloomer, so it doesn't use up the calcium/potassium in a pot, esp. for a high-rain climate, which leaches out those nutrients. Mr. Lincoln always look good in a pot at local store.

Firefighter is a heavy bloomer, which depletes calcium/potassium, and it breaks out in blackspot AFTER blooming, unless those minerals are abundant, as in alkaline clay. My Firefighter improved after I moved from acidic potting soil to heavy alkaline clay. So the stingy roses like Mr. Lincoln look really healthy in a pot, but the heavy bloomers: Firefighter, Buxom Beauty can be blackspot-fest after done with blooming.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 21 MAY by Michael Garhart
For this area (NW Oregon), Firefighter is healthy enough. Just the lower 1/3rd was affected. 'Velvet Fragrance' was by far the healthiest fragrant red HT I have grown here, but the blooms turn to rice crispies if the sun even looks at it sideways. lol

Mister Lincoln can get up to 2-3" diameter wood here. It is a literal monster. 'Oklahoma's is the same way. The modern garden just cannot accommodate here. My question/rant was more-so local nursery owners not realizing that or reaching out to the local societies for updated information, like they used to do.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 21 MAY by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
HMF is the best source for info., but I wish folks would specify their soil & climate & planting zone & what region of the country. People want to hold on to "old generalizations", rather than learning. Like nearby rose park, I was shocked to see them dumping sulfur in the spring... they burnt Tamora (prefers alkaline), also induced RRD (rose rosette disease) on Pink Traviata (Meilland rose) which also prefers alkaline. Gypsum is acidic, I killed lots of earthworms using that stuff, and it burns my finger. Gypsum has calcium plus sulfur.

I made the same mistake years ago: dumping sulfur plus high nitrogen chemical fertilizer on a Grandma' Blessing rose, changing my soil pH to acidic. It immediately came down with RRD five years ago. That's the ONLY rose with RRD in my 30+ years of growing roses, among 100+ varieties. I planted Radio Times in the exact spot, but I raised the pH with more alkaline clay, and no RRD ever since. I wish folks would stop generalizations, "Mr. Lincoln for fragrant reds", "roses prefer acidic", and "roses need full-sun". Own-root roses are completely different from each other.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 3 FEB by ac91z6
Replying because I want to archive all the information in this post for future reference about Mr. Lincoln and Firefighter. Good information here!
most recent 2 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 1 FEB by ac91z6
A suggestion, if it's possible - I'll admit I know little of website design.

Would it be possible to add 'fall foliage color', 'hip display', or a 'fall interest' to the RATINGS section or description (description already has hips)? This may only be of interest to those in cooler zones, but for us this could help evaluate our rose choices or help us decide on placement in the garden.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 1 FEB by Patricia Routley
We do have sections for "attractive fall colour" in Foliage; and "produces attractive hips" in Growing Notes in the descriptions. Mostly we try and include these things when we see an author has mentioned them. But a rose in a cooler climate might have more attractive colour than in a warmer climate. And there is a fine line between a rose producing hips, and producing decorative hips (she says after just having de-hipped the feral and prickly R. eglanteria when they became b..... hips.) Sorry I can't help with knowledge on the ratings.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 2 FEB by ac91z6
I just wish there was a better way than the mods/admins having to go through comments - esp. on some roses where there are dozens. I really, really appreciate that you guys do that though!
I wish more people would post if their roses have good fall color/interest - I'll have to remember to do that with my own!
Reply #3 of 6 posted 2 FEB by Margaret Furness
It is climate-dependent. Mme Gregoire Staechelin is known for decorative hips (as well as flowers), but in my summer heat (up to 42C, occasionally worse) they sunburn and become unattractive.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 2 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Autumn colour.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 2 FEB by ac91z6
I knew some roses wouldn't set in colder zones, but I didn't realize heat could be too much for them as well. Thank you!

And Andrew, wow that is some gold foliage! Gorgeous! I'm guessing a rugosa? HMF won't let me go back to the plant listing from the photo.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 2 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
It is Rosa roxburghii normalis, the picture was taken in autumn 2016, an exceptionally good year for autumn colour. Other roses that colour well in a cool climate are the rugosas, of course, also some of the American species, Rosa virginiana always does quite well with reddish shades as does Rosa cinnamomea 'Plena' too. Another rose that is good value is R. fedtschenkoana, that has yellow shades with fruits and flowers too. This year I have planted R x micrugosa 'Alba' which I have great expectations for good autumn foliage as well.
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Initial post 18 JAN by Cori Ann - Norcal hot and dry 9b
Just a note, it is super thorny! I mean THORNY! Like Sombreuil. I have both climbing together actually. They’re quite the menacing pair. You have been warned!
Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 FEB by ac91z6
An excellent warning Cori! I'm planning to pillar Florentina with another rose. Definitely going to make sure to choose something low/no thorn!
most recent 16 DEC HIDE POSTS
Initial post 16 DEC by ac91z6
Sounds like this rose would be a good addition to Kordes' Arborose collection. Would anyone know offhand roughly how much time between a roses' patent and introduction? I see Kordes got 'Alaska' a US patent in Apr. of this year.
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