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Initial post 25 FEB by ac91z6
This rose is beautiful. It's newer but there aren't any sources or gardens listed. Is it/was it ever available in commerce?
Reply #1 of 11 posted 26 FEB by Nastarana
Millington's roses cannot be imported into the USA on account of some rose disease unknown to science. One wonders how anyone manages to grow roses at all in Oz.

Illicit narcotics pass through our borders with ease but God help the person who tries to import roses.
Reply #2 of 11 posted 26 FEB by ac91z6
Bwahaha! Ain't it the truth. And because roses aren't 'important' enough, no one will ever do the research to show the USDA is out of their minds on this one. We can always hope, I suppose. If it got imported into Europe, and then someone tried to import it to the US, would it get hit with the same ban? Not that this would help any of us. I'm going to have to research this now.
I do hope it's available in Australia at least.
Reply #3 of 11 posted 26 FEB by Margaret Furness
As far as I understand it, Warren's roses are mostly being released in Belgium, not Oz, because the big rose nurseries in Oz are still focussed on high-centred HTs.
Reply #11 of 11 posted 15 JUL by Plazbo
Which is funny (not haha) in that most of the population live in the major cities who's suburbs are being turned from 1/4 acre blocks into townhouse and granny flat estates, garden space is becoming much smaller than it was. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next 10 to 20 years as the boomer generation decline and with space and desire to garden being lower in younger generations.
Reply #4 of 11 posted 26 FEB by Nastarana
With difficulty if at all, I am afraid. Some years ago Vintage Gardens imported some rare cultivars from a famous rose garden in Italy--Italy it seems is also host to the dreaded disease--by way of a devious roundabout TInker to Evers to Chance route from Italy to another European country and from there to I believe the SF airport. Filroses regrets on its' website that it can no longer export to the USA and there were recounted on the gardenweb forum horror stories of roses from Europe being held up in customs till they died.

It is enough to make one consider deals with the devil, trips to Europe and special shipments to a confederate stateside, etc.
Reply #5 of 11 posted 27 FEB by ac91z6
That's crazy. I wonder how this 'disease' came into being, and why they're so fixated on it. If they think it's so terrible it must affect other crops, and you'd think there'd be some research into it.
Reply #6 of 11 posted 28 FEB by Nastarana
I think back in the day, when Jackson & Perkins was a successful and profitable company, it teamed up with Weeks and maybe others and bought a congressperson. Roses being a small crop, it would have been fairly easy to get import restrictions into a farm bill. The alleged disease was called lettuce wilt or something of the sort, as I recall. What lettuce might have to do with roses I cannot say.
Reply #7 of 11 posted 14 JUL by Warren Millington
you got it right there, They need to review this lie ASAP
Reply #8 of 11 posted 14 JUL by Nastarana
Don't we wish. When one is dealing with the US Congress, money talks. Now, if everyone overseas who would like to import roses into the USA got together and put up some cash...maybe something could happen.
Reply #9 of 11 posted 14 JUL by Margaret Furness
Wilt thou? Lettuce spray.
Alas, there are more needy causes than roses.
Reply #10 of 11 posted 14 JUL by Andrew from Dolton
There is 'Bullata' sometimes called the lettuce rose.
most recent 24 JUN SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
Half of the nurseries bought like 20-30 Mister Lincolns each, and none of this rose. Holy crap. Why? Mister Lincoln is like 10' here, lol. A few nurseries ordered in 5 or so Lasting Love, which is okay, but completely defoliates here. I will never understand the nursery business mindset.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 20 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Mr. Lincoln is a sparse bloomer, so it doesn't use up the calcium/potassium in a pot, esp. for a high-rain climate, which leaches out those nutrients. Mr. Lincoln always look good in a pot at local store.

Firefighter is a heavy bloomer, which depletes calcium/potassium, and it breaks out in blackspot AFTER blooming, unless those minerals are abundant, as in alkaline clay. My Firefighter improved after I moved from acidic potting soil to heavy alkaline clay. So the stingy roses like Mr. Lincoln look really healthy in a pot, but the heavy bloomers: Firefighter, Buxom Beauty can be blackspot-fest after done with blooming.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 21 MAY 17 by Michael Garhart
For this area (NW Oregon), Firefighter is healthy enough. Just the lower 1/3rd was affected. 'Velvet Fragrance' was by far the healthiest fragrant red HT I have grown here, but the blooms turn to rice crispies if the sun even looks at it sideways. lol

Mister Lincoln can get up to 2-3" diameter wood here. It is a literal monster. 'Oklahoma's is the same way. The modern garden just cannot accommodate here. My question/rant was more-so local nursery owners not realizing that or reaching out to the local societies for updated information, like they used to do.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 21 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
HMF is the best source for info., but I wish folks would specify their soil & climate & planting zone & what region of the country. People want to hold on to "old generalizations", rather than learning. Like nearby rose park, I was shocked to see them dumping sulfur in the spring... they burnt Tamora (prefers alkaline), also induced RRD (rose rosette disease) on Pink Traviata (Meilland rose) which also prefers alkaline. Gypsum is acidic, I killed lots of earthworms using that stuff, and it burns my finger. Gypsum has calcium plus sulfur.

I made the same mistake years ago: dumping sulfur plus high nitrogen chemical fertilizer on a Grandma' Blessing rose, changing my soil pH to acidic. It immediately came down with RRD five years ago. That's the ONLY rose with RRD in my 30+ years of growing roses, among 100+ varieties. I planted Radio Times in the exact spot, but I raised the pH with more alkaline clay, and no RRD ever since. I wish folks would stop generalizations, "Mr. Lincoln for fragrant reds", "roses prefer acidic", and "roses need full-sun". Own-root roses are completely different from each other.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 24 JUN by DLEverette_NC_Zone7b
Rice a nice laugh from that lol
Reply #4 of 7 posted 3 FEB by ac91z6
Replying because I want to archive all the information in this post for future reference about Mr. Lincoln and Firefighter. Good information here!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 24 JUN by Michael Garhart
I would put Claret and Firefighter as the best deep red sniffers sold in North America at the moment, although I know more are coming in the future. I would rate Heart Song behind, although the plant is superior, the scent is only half of the other sniffers.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 24 JUN by Nastarana
Have you tried asking nursery owners how they go about their selections?
most recent 13 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 MAY by ac91z6
Lovely rose! I wish it was available in the States.
most recent 16 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 16 APR by ac91z6
Currently listed on Roses Unlimited website, as 'Bliss Parfuma'.
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