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Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
most recent 26 MAR SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 DEC 19 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
After a three-year assessment, I would finally like to offer an overall observation of this plant. CSK has been growing in a no-spray garden for the last 3 years and 7 months. Though it has been growing at a slow pace and throwing out new canes on occasion, it seems to also do the same with 2-3 flowers here and there. It doesn't tend to have an overabundance of problems with BS, though it's not free from it by any means. It does tend to hold its foliage longer than many, and that might be part of the reason. However, CSK does have a huge problem with Mildew on the canes, and does not seem to subside or grow out of it. Though the plant is now well-established, it does not seem to win the battle completely.

As far as the flowers, it seems to have a nice fragrance. I would call it a solid moderate. It's definitely present. Nice combination, not overly sweet, spicy, or anything. Just a blurred balance. The bud stays closed for an entire day here, and that is less common in a HT, because of our warm climate. It also seems to appreciate a little afternoon shade. The petals don't shatter fast (3 days full), and that is a bonus.

It definitely redlines on being one of the closest to shovel pruning, and if I only had a limited space, I certainly wouldn't keep it. However, it will remain. Though it reminds me that some roses just do better if sprayed. It certainly doesn't belong in a no-spray garden, if you have any level of humidity or rain.

Alternatives: IF you're looking for a similarly growing multicolor and fragrant HT with a bit more disease resistance, then I would suggest Sheila's Perfume, which has a delightful more powerful fragrance, more flowers, yet is very healthy in all respects, does excellent in a No-spray environment, and even tolerates a little more sun and heat than CSK.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 8 DEC 19 by HMF Admin
Wow, would that we could get more HMF members to share their experience in such wonderful detail. Thank you for your participation.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 8 DEC 19 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
I appreciate that. This is the kind of content I would like to read about on other roses as well. Good karma :)
Also, I only will make a thorough assessment as this after giving it the ability to adjust and grow naturally. All too often, they will become completely different plants after they have settled in and adapted to nature outside of commercial greenhouse culture, where it's likely not growing in realistic conditions to an everyday collector or gardener. I believe all of this allows me to deliver a much more accurate summary.
I also encourage all of my plants to go Own Root, as my own experience has shown to improve the overall health and give it more tolerance to rain and BS. :)
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 26 MAR by Michael Garhart
I went back to Brigadoon. Since almost all in this color range seem to (sadly) get BS, I went back to the one with the most boom'. I had hoped a Gemini type would come along by now, but that never happened. Kordes released a rose call Color Splash, which is similar to CSK, except more flori-shrub, but its also a lot of plant with only moderate bloom.
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most recent 15 APR 23 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 APR 23 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
After a 2 year evaluation I can say this is one fussy plant!
I’ll soon be giving it away or shovel pruning it.
For the few good quality blooms it DOES have, they are small, and not at all long or firm stemmed enough to put them with other roses or into a standing vase. Because this has miniature genetics, it acts the same way in a vase. Perhaps a single bud vase would be okay. I just don’t know how this could ever be considered a Florist Rose, unless it’s used in a corsage like a gardenia.
It has a lot of problems with mildew, the flowers get spotted during rainfall, and the bottom of the bush is naked when it’s summertime. It grows very awkward, as if it can’t figure out whether it’s a miniature or a climber. Lastly, there is zero fragrance.
Great for a conversation piece, but as a Frankenstein, it looks incredibly out of place next to other roses.
It’s been in the ground 2 years, and has grown to be only 14” tall. Other roses eclipse it, and you have to be able to put it into a place where there are no other standards around, or it will drop its leaves and turn yellow, because of living in their shadows.
My recommendation would be to get Alfred Sisley or George Burns, and you’ll have a nice FRAGRANT flower, combined with a very nice forming bush of good stature. I’d pass this one up, unless you only grow miniatures, and you don’t mind them awkward, and underperforming.
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most recent 3 MAR 23 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 1 NOV 19 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
I've posted about this release in my journal for anyone who would be interested. :)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 MAR 23 by johnm99
Would be happy to view your journal.
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most recent 21 DEC 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 21 JAN 22 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
If there was a such thing as a rose representing the story of The Tortoise and the Hare, that would be Lemon Spice.
What can I say about this which has not already been said?
First off, let's just say One Of A Kind Fragrance!. There's no other rose I've ever sniffed which has this delicious of a fragrance. It somehow transports me to places in my imagination, somewhere between Wonkaland, and a Citrus orchard in bloom. Sweet like bit o honey candy, spicy like an iced holiday cookie, yet powerful like jasmine and lemon flowers combined. That's just the tip of the iceberg for this little charmer.

The growth is slow and steady (Tortoise), so don't expect it to compete in a day at the racetrack. Patience is truly needed with this slow starter. Reminds me of a few others, and definitely like parent Signora. Once it takes off after three years of pampering it, then watch out! As long as you give it plenty of space, light, and nutritious soil, then it will begin. I've learned never to give up on them, because right about the time you're ready to throw in the towel, they begin to flourish and stun with the elements you get them for in the first place.

The overall growth seems to be incredibly restrained and optimal for those who have very limited spaces or want to grow on a patio rather than in-ground. However, that said, I planted mine directly into the ground in an area where I have hopes of it achieving it's maximum height, but at my own risk of course. It seems to be steady at about 18-22in. height at the moment, but I'm seeing that the canes don't age out fast, and the hopes of it being able to train as a tall shrub might be workable in the future with some coaxing. However, it may not be ideal for a cold climate where dieback will be eminent. This would surely need to be best grown in a place with no more than a small amount of intermittent chill. I would probably guess that it's best in Zone 8b or higher, just so that it won't suffer any dieback to give it the height it needs for it's sluggish growth.

That all being said, when it blooms, it will throw at random, and therefore seems like it doesn't go too long without at least one flower on the bush. It's probably not going to be a showstopper for it's size and appearance, but the fragrance is more than worth the lack of numbers.

Disease Resistance is iron clad, as far as I am concerned. Zero Spray and compost tea is the standard for all my roses. I've never seen any kind of disease on LS, where our annual rainfall is 120in. (there's at least one good rain every week), and average humidity steadily hovers around 60%. Many other roses succumb to this kind of environment. LS absolutely Thrives!

Lastly, the coloration of the flower is very nice. In full sun, it doesn't bleach out the yellow nearly as much as many other HT's like Eternal Flame, Midas Touch, Sunsprite, Golden Showers, and Michelangelo. It seems to be solid Buttery-to-Banana Yellow, with those unmistakable peach cheeks that truly set it's coloration apart and makes the plant set a signature look with the unique medium (tea sized) flowers.

I have yet to find any rose that could possibly even come close to filling the shoes of this MUST HAVE for me.
HIGHLY recommend Lemon Spice.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 DEC 22 by Nola Z5a WI
I have to agree with you on Lemon Spice being a slow grower, but as you said the "fragrance", and beauty of bloom is the reason why I don't think about getting rid of it. My rose bought as a band in May 2018 (own root developed RMV shortly after arrival) has been planted in ground since 2019, 3 years now. Six months after it was planted It survived winter temperatures down to -26 degrees with mulch mounded for winter protection, and last winter with no winter protection with temperatures down to -19 degrees (I don't recommend not winter protecting it in my zone). It had dieback down to 6-12" in the spring 2022. I measured on Dec. 7, 2022 and it was 38"x22". I like this rose so much that I purchased 2 more own root roses to plant with it but in gallon containers this year.
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