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StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
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Initial post 30 JUL by Hani
Is this rose fragrant?
Reply #1 of 12 posted 30 JUL by Nastarana
I don't know about fragrant but it has a good, clear, non-muddy color. I might have to try one next year if the company in OK still offers it.
Reply #2 of 12 posted 30 JUL by Patricia Routley
I don't think it can be. I had a look at two nursery listings for it and they mentioned other attributes, but nothing about fragrance.
Reply #3 of 12 posted 3 AUG by Hani
Thanks for your replies. I asked because I recently bought a potted rose from a local plant reseller (unfortunately, roses sold locally here come unlabelled) and I'm trying to identify it. The bloom color is definitely salmon, the blooms are borne in clusters (so I thought probably a floribunda), petal count is 50+, bloom size is about 2-3 inches in diameter (I read that it's normal for blooms to be smaller in hot climates), and I would describe the fragrance intensity as moderate. The bush is on the short side, about a foot tall, and the leaves don't seem small enough to be a miniature. One of the candidates just by looking at the pictures online was Adobe Sunrise. But if its fragrance isn't mentioned in catalogs then I'll have to eliminate Adobe Sunrise from my list of candidates.
Reply #4 of 12 posted 3 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Nice pictures !! Since I always shop for glossy-foliage, I notice that Abode Sunrise has ROUNDER & glossier & shinier foliage than your pictures. But leaves do become glossier if fed alkaline minerals, so the shape of the leaves is the best guideline. And the height of the bush is another good guideline.
Reply #5 of 12 posted 3 AUG by Hani
Thanks for the tips about identification! Will definitely take note of the leaves when I look at candidates. And also take a second look at my plant's leaves. Since my plant is relatively young, I'll have to wait and see how tall it gets as it gets older.

Also thanks for the advice about how to make the leaves glossy! I have a (stupid) question though... what kind of fertilizers would have alkaline minerals? Does vermicompost have alkaline minerals?
Reply #6 of 12 posted 3 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Hani: It's a very smart question, alkaline minerals are in rocks, pea-pebbles, and esp. heavy clay. Worm-casting is rich in humus (organic matter) which chelates well to trace-elements required by roses, such as iron, zinc, copper, manganese, etc. My most healthy roses were when I topped with COMPOSTED horse manure. Worm-casting is even better than horse manure (has medications & salty-urine). From the web:
"Vermicomposting, or vermiculture, enlists a small army of worms to turn organic plant wastes (food parings, rinds, peels and lawn clippings, for instance) into rich plant food, known as "worm castings."

The anti-fungal trace-elements of zinc, copper, and boron need ORGANIC matter to chelate to, same with iron. So worm-casting help roses with trace-elements to be healthy. But for the glossy-shine on leaves, any hard-minerals in the soil will do. One time I soaked colorful pea-pebbles in acidic rain water, and after 1 week of watering, leaves went from dull to shiny & glossy. Same with topping with my alkaline clay (rich in minerals).
Reply #7 of 12 posted 4 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Your blooms look like 'Soleil d'Or' which is a smaller rose with strong scent, plus dull foliage like your leaves. 'Soleil d'Or' is known to thrive in dry & hot climate & alkaline clay.
Reply #10 of 12 posted 5 AUG by Hani
Thanks for the suggestion! Soleil d'Or seems a very interesting rose. Though I would worry if it is Soleil d'Or since I live in the tropics where there isn't even a pronounced dry season (basically the two seasons are wet and wetter :p), so it might just die from fungal diseases. Actually I think it might be Cimarosa (, leaf shape looks similar, leaf edge is reddish when young, flower color is orange-pink, bloom form is "old-fashioned", is fragrant, bush is short, and it was introduced long enough ago that it would find its way in some random nursery in rural Philippines somehow. But of course, I can't be 100% sure until I see an actual labelled Cimarosa growing here.
Reply #8 of 12 posted 4 AUG by Nastarana
Any chance it could be 'Spartan'?

Short bush and fragrance both sound like 'Spartan', also the glossy foliage. OTOH, 1950s floribundas rarely show up any more in mass market pots or body bags, and some of the pix show a pinker cast. 'Spartan for me was more orange than pink and very double.
Reply #9 of 12 posted 4 AUG by Patricia Routley
I don't believe it is 'Spartan' which for me, has foliage of a blue-ish tint, and rounded petals. The pointed tipped petals in Hani's photos are reminiscent of some miniatures and I would guess, from the height that it may be a mini-flora.
Reply #11 of 12 posted 5 AUG by Hani
Thanks for the suggestions! The flower color in my plant is lighter in color than Spartan's. At first I also thought my plant might be a miniature since it's on the short side, but the leaves aren't small like I see in my miniatures. Or are there big-leaf miniatures? If so, I'll have to check the miniatures. I haven't been growing roses for long (just started a few months ago, so I have lots to learn), so I don't really know. I think my rose might be Cimarosa (, the picture and description are similar to my rose's. But of course I can't be 100% sure until I see an actual labelled Cimarosa growing hereabouts to compare.
Reply #12 of 12 posted 3 days ago by Pat Wallace zone 5a Illinois
Hani, If your rose is young it could also be the Kordes floribunda Jolie.
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Initial post 12 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Here's my ranking of OWN-ROOT orange roses in scent. The fruity scent is intense in my clay, and the orange-color is deeper in my high magnesium & heavy clay. . All are OWN-ROOT, except for SunDowner (grafted on Dr. Huey), thus the fruity scent is lessened. Orange, yellow, and dark-red roses need more shade from hot sun. OK-TAP means glossy-foliage & need partial shade & but blooms well with alkaline tap-water. NEED RAIN have pale foliage and needs tons of acidic rain to bloom well. OK DRY mean it has vigorous & deep root & more drought tolerant. The below ranking is based on scent of 10 own-root orange roses, from best to least:

1) Versigny - like an apricot pie, delicious & NEED RAIN. 2) Sutter's Gold, famous for its nectarine-scent & OK DRY 3) Bronze Star, same scent as Sutter's Gold, but bigger orange bloom & NEED RAIN 4) Pat Austin, mango and nectarine & OK-TAP & WATER HOG, best in 4 hours of morning sun 5) Anna's Promise: apricot fruity scent, OK-TAP. 6) Crown Princess Magareta, honey and fruit, attracts Japanese Beetles & HUGE CLIMBER & OK DRY 7) Lady of Shalott, Jap. Beetles don't care for its scent & OK DRY 8) King Arthur (Samaritan), moderate fruity & OK-TAP 9) Carding Mill, orange here & sweet myrrh scent & NEED RAIN 10) Strike it Rich: mild fruity & OK DRY

11) Sundowner: mild fruity & OK DRY & OK-TAP grafted on Dr.Huey, but previous 10 are OWN-ROOT roses. 12) Just Joey: OK DRY & OK-TAP grafted on Dr. Huey.

Own-root Sheila's Perfume is coming next week to my garden .. most likely will be orange/pinkish in my clay, will rate its scent later.
Reply #1 of 8 posted 27 AUG by Lavenderlace
Wonderful and very helpful review of fragrances, thanks so much!
Reply #2 of 8 posted 27 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lavenderlace: How was hurricane Harvey in your Texas area? I'm glad that you have some cooler temp. Just added Just Joey to the list or orange-roses as #12 .. zero scent as grafted-on-Dr.Huey, but did great during hot & dry. Just Joey had thick-petals that could take full-sun, but it died since Dr.Huey-rootstock didn't like flood & acidic rain.

I moved own-root Sutter's Gold from a Smart-Pot into my clay today. It has shallow-cluster & thin hairy root, definitely prefers loamy soil. The fabric Smart-Pot didn't retain enough moisture for Sutter's Gold. Its leaves are very shiny & glossy: need partial shade & alkaline minerals. Versigny is still in a pot with MG-potting soil, smells just as wonderful as when it was in my clay in 2014. Every time I sniff Versigny, I tell myself, "Wow !! This is heaven" Versigny's scent is floral myrrh in MG-potting soil, but was like a delicious apricot-pie in my clay.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 28 AUG by Lavenderlace
We're very far north almost Z7 so we're fine, but thanks for asking!

Every time I start to think about buying Versigny, I see the HMF description and individual ratings and then I change my mind. I wonder if there's something helpful to the fragrance in your soil? I thought it might be great for you but scentless for me, like Madame IP in my sand! BTW, replaced them with Magnificent Perfume and Amazing Grace and they smell fantastic in the exact same spot.

What about Jude the Obscure for your list of oranges? He's dark apricot here and the scent is consistently one of the best. Or is he a different color for you?
Reply #4 of 8 posted 28 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Jude is pale yellow in my clay. I'm glad you are safe from hurricane Harvey. This is a "flood" year, with 9 inch. in 24 hours during July for my Chicagoland, then flood in Arizona, and now in Texas. I'm looking out my window, Versigny is 2 1/2 feet tall in a tiny pot, and it's only 3 1/2 month own-root !! When Versigny died few years ago through my zone 5a winter, I dug up the root, and it was woody & chunky. Such THICK roots like Versigny & Madame Isaac Pereire need SOLID minerals for best scent.

Versigny is now in MG-moisture-control potting soil, plus I topped with tiny-colorful-pea-gravels. Pretty pea-gravels are used to top bonsai pots, but it has all the alkaline minerals needed for best scent. Pea-gravels definitely helps with best scent. In 2014 I grew Perle d'Or in a pot, topped with pea-gravel, and the scent was powerful .. one bloom perfumed the entire area. Now I grow a 2nd Perle d'Or in a pot, topped with my clay, and the scent is barely there.
Reply #5 of 8 posted 28 AUG by Lavenderlace
We had the nine inches in 24 hours also last week too! Flash flooding is usually quite hit or miss in our area and sometimes we'll wake up to flash flood warnings and not get a drop of rain. But this time we finally got it (unannounced) and the water receded quite quickly so it was great for the roses.

You are correct on the clay! My only pale Jude is in clay. I'm trying to only grow roses here now that naturally like my climate and soil so I have a feeling that what works super for you will be the opposite for me.

Are you impressed with Sutter's Gold these days? Relative Lemon Spice is super here but I think that the yellow might be lighter than what you like, though it never fades to dingy white, thank goodness.

My favorites are light pinks and lavenders but I seem to keep ending up with peaches and yellows because the fragrance is so good here!
Reply #6 of 8 posted 28 AUG by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Sutter's Gold is drought-tolerant as own-root. I left its cluster-root in open-air, while prepping the new hole. I was indecisive about the depth of planting, and dug that up twice to fix ... yet the leaves are perky after being moved from pot to clay (lost some roots). Lagerfeld could not take such abuse (also a cluster-root). Lagerfeld has thinner leaves, versus much thicker leaves of Sutter's Gold.

My experience with THICKER LEAVES? They are quite drought-tolerant, such as Betty White (amazing scent, way-better than Frederic Mistral). Both Betty White and Sutter's Gold have dark green & glossy foliage, so they prefer alkaline minerals with higher pH. It's the THIN & GLOSSY leaves which are water-hogs, like Neil Diamond .. broke out in blackspot in full sun & hot & dry. So I moved Neil next to the rainspout, only 4 hours of morning sun, with a plastic edging dug down 6 inch. (to keep the grass out). Saw Neil swimming happily in this "mini-swimming" pool, pumping out 100% clean leaves & buds while being dumped 32-gallons of rain-water every hour.
Reply #7 of 8 posted 29 AUG by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for that helpful information!
Reply #8 of 8 posted 14 days ago by ac91z6
Thank you StrawChicago! I've ordered a couple of these (CPM and LoS) and I'm glad to see some water/soil guidelines for our general area! Thank you so much for your reviews of roses!
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Initial post 21 APR 14 by Patricia Routley
For many years I have been watching Jay-Jay load his very beautiful photos of ‘Etoile de Hollande Cl.’ on to HelpMefind. In front of my Australian computer screen there has often been the envious gnashing of teeth and puzzled lines furrowing the brow. For ‘Etoile de Hollande’ does not blue apparently. In Australia there has been a large blueing rose sent out as ‘Etoile de Hollande Cl.’ and the rose I received under this name originally came from Ross Roses in South Australia. In 1994 Ross Roses donated a Heritage Roses in Australia ‘Scripta award’ in the form of a ‘Etoile de Hollande Cl.’ Rose to Rose Marsh in Kojonup, WA. Mrs. Marsh gave me a cutting of her rose in 2001. I have uploaded Ross Roses photo of ‘Etoile de Hollande Cl.’ from the ‘Australian Rose Annual 1994, page 49 and because of the wavy leaf edge, I have no doubt that it is the same rose I now grow. I think it is a spring-bloomer – I can’t be absolutely sure of this - but all my photos are dated September to December.

I have always doubted the veracity of this rose because it blues so much - only a few times have I seen a sparkling bright red crimson bloom. In 2005 I saw a similar rose (named ‘Etoile de Hollande’[?Cl.] ) in California at the Berkeley Rose Garden where I noted it was purple red big bloom.

‘Gloire de Hollande’ is hovering at the back of my mind. In 1923 Wilhelm Kordes said it had good growth and that it sometimes blued. But there were many old roses which blued and I am just not sure which one my rose actually is.

[Later edit (Nov 23, 2017). My photos deleted from the 'Etoile de Hollande Cl.' file. My rose may be 'Hadley Cl.' but I need more proof.]
Reply #1 of 14 posted 21 APR 14 by Jay-Jay
Hi Patricia,
I didn't know You were so "envious" of my rose. ;-)
It never blued my Cl. Étoile de Hollande''.... In contrary: in warm sunny weather, the flowers get a more bright-red colour. (the same for the non climbing version until now)
In cooler conditions the flower(bud)s are darker. It is a reliant repeat-bloomer, that is one of the first and one of the last. Four or five flushes, but almost never without flowers. It blooms on new as on old and older wood.
'Winschoten' is the rose in our garden, that has the blues "badly'. At first a negative for me, but the scent is formidable!
I hope and wish for You, that there once might be a real Cl. Étoile de Hollande for You in Australia, for when I were allowed to keep just one rose out of my garden... it would be this rose!
Reply #3 of 14 posted 21 APR 14 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Jay-Jay. Both you and I grow about 55 roses in common and I am always interested in your photographs. - you have such a beautiful garden. Your love for your ‘Etoile de Hollande’ comes across loud and clear in your photos and comments. (Your foliage looks a little more elongated than my round foliage). I am sure the real non-blueing ‘Etoile de Hollande’ is in Australia somewhere. I just wanted to alert Australians that if their plant blues, then perhaps they should question the veracity
Reply #4 of 14 posted 22 APR 14 by Jay-Jay
Thank You for Your kind words Patricia.
I will make some photo's of the foliage. The stiff, but brittle blueish red new growth (of canes) is typical for this rose.
Reply #5 of 14 posted 24 APR 14 by Jay-Jay
Some promised photo's of the foliage/leaves, one bud and to detox... The first spray of flowerbuds in years on my plant.
Reply #6 of 14 posted 25 APR 14 by Patricia Routley
Jay-Jay - those photos were so helpful. I think I might be wrong and that I might just have the real 'Etoile de Hollande' after all. Your photos of the leaves are round (as mine are) and have that pointed tip (as mine do). and they have the new red leaves (as mine do) and the rare new canes are purple-ish. I have on occasions seen the occasional bright red crimson bloom here, but mostly it "blues". My plant is fairly near the septic tank in a lawn and it is surrounded by stiff clay. Perhaps it just goes blue with indigestion. I might take a cutting and put it elsewhere. Thank you my friend.
Reply #7 of 14 posted 25 APR 14 by Jay-Jay
You're welcome Patricia.
I might have given You an "overkill" of photo's of the foliage, but it did no harm, I suppose.
I can delete some, if they take too much space.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 2 MAY 14 by Jay-Jay
To my surprise, it turns blue-ish after some days, when cut and on a vase. Not turning into blue-ish when on the plant and in bright sunlight.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 21 APR 14 by Jay-Jay
PS: You uploaded photo's of Your rose, but it looks familiar as for habit, colour of the new canes, the laterals with flowers, the buds (are they a bit felty, where they open?) look-a-like and the leafs.
But the whitish reverse of the petals is unfamiliar. And the petals mostly do not curl that much, so no starshaped flowers.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 16 NOV 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
jay-jay: Really appreciate the info. you gave on this rose. How big does it get after your zone 6 winter? Does the fragrance perfume the entire room? Thanks for any info.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 16 NOV 16 by Jay-Jay
After a zone 6 winter, it isn't harmed at all and has to be pruned and (partially) be trained again.

Best prune it during the season too, for it grows laterals meters long! Or let it climb as high as 10 m! (take a look at this photo of Jedmar: at an earlier discussion started November 18 2011)
But I wouldn't recommend that.

Just take a look at earlier photo's of mine after the zone 5 winter of 2012. (2012-04-24 )
It froze badly, had to cut it back to approximately 25cm, but came back vividly and grew over 3 meters per cane. See follow-up photo's!
That the lower part survived, was due to covering leaves and a pile of snow.
In Your region, I wouldn't train it on a metal fence or structure, but on a wooden structure, pole or tie it to plasticized steel-wire. (see photo)
And yes, the fragrance perfumes the entire room, when the flowers are cut at the right time. (not in blazing sunlight and not when completely opened)
Reply #11 of 14 posted 16 NOV 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you for the info. There are very few roses that can perfume the entire room, Comte de Chambord, Duchess de Rohan, Annie L. McDowell, Firefighter, Dee-lish are the few that can. One zone 5b person grows E. de Hollande, so I hope that can survive my zone 5a winter.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 23 NOV by Jay-Jay
Patricia, I saw Your today's edit of the original post and wanted to update my experience:
'Étoile de Hollande Cl.' only blued just a little for me after a few days, when cut for the vase and brought inside.
Outdoors it never blued and in fact it got a lighter red color in hot sunny periods.
Reply #13 of 14 posted 23 NOV by Patricia Routley
That is very nice of you Jay-Jay. My plant blued very much - far too much for it to be the 'Etoile de Hollande' it came to me as. With time passing and more reading, I believe my plant could be 'Hadley Cl.' which did have a reputation for blueing. The pear-shaped hips of my plant also seem to be very close to those of 'Hadley' ("Bishop's Lodge Muriel Linton") which Margaret Furness uploaded.

It is interesting to look where Hadley & Etoile de Hollande came from.
Hadley 1914 (Liberty x Richmond) x General MacArthur.
Etoile de Hollande 1919 (General MacArthur x Hadley)
Reply #14 of 14 posted 23 NOV by Jay-Jay
Interesting indeed and so close related!
A deputizing (?) is easily made. I wouldn't call that a mistake.
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Initial post 17 AUG 12 by Barden, Paul
Undoubtedly the WORST rose I have ever grown. If you ever wondered where the disease-ridden foliage of modern roses came from, plant yourself one of these! A truly wretched beast of a thing.
Reply #1 of 23 posted 18 AUG 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Don't hold back Paul, tell us how you REALLY feel about it! I agree, occasionally gorgeous flower on a truly terrible plant.
Reply #2 of 23 posted 18 AUG 12 by HMF Admin
So... reading between the lines we're guessing you don't care for this particular rose?
Reply #3 of 23 posted 18 AUG 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
It served its purpose to bring the Foetida colors into modern roses, as well as short-lived foliage which becomes susceptible to fungal attacks more quickly. It is historically and genetically important as a museum piece. It can be extraordinary in the narrow band of climates in which it can be happy. Unfortunately, it is a very narrow, small number of the areas in which roses are grown. As a plant, no, I don't care for anything about it. It has some very interesting traits, such as the "Juicy Fruit Gum" scent of the sepals, peduncles and new growth and (sometimes) very beautifully colored flowers. Unfortunately, you have to take the whole package to get the fun parts and that's a pretty high price of admission.
Reply #4 of 23 posted 24 MAY 13 by goncmg
I have to re-post here and smile because right now my Soleil d'Or is covered in blooms (with that delicious juicy fruit gum smell) and my band, now a 2 x 2 taught shrublet, is beyond vigorous. Yes, I admit, per my prior post I DO give it its "medicine" almost daily but for me it is worth it. There is nothing like it. And it is beyond important in the history.............I keep waiting for this one to totally FAIL me, and maybe it still will. Maybe my clone is just very, unusually-ish strong. It isn't even close to the worst rose I have ever grown but that is what makes growing them such a fun challenge. And I am convinced that there may actually be some human-rose synergy in existence and with some I/we have it, others I/we don't. I cannot grow Tropicana no matter WHAT I do. I have never had a bad experience with Sterling Silver. A cool, dry spring STILL has my Daily Sketch almost defoliated with botrytis and blackspot even though nobody else of the 100+ has much if any of either and I spray DS nearly as much as this one here.....................a fascinating relic, works for me, seems like it doesn't for a lot, I love it and would never want to be without it at this point....................I DO feed it about 50% more than the others. It also lets me NOT water it about 50% as much as the others (all mine are in pots, I gambled and realized its heritage is DRY and yes, this seems to work).....and again, I spray it beyond belief but last year it barely lost a leaf to blackspot and shoots out basals at an amazing rate....................think Soleil and I have that "synergy" that Tropicana and others (Redgold, Cathedral, Black Baccara, Daily Sketch, Countess Vandal, APRIL IN PARIS (!) and more) I do not have................................
Reply #5 of 23 posted 24 MAY 13 by Rupert, Kim L.'s just lulling you into believing it isn't going to bite you! Once you're satisfied it is going to do its thing without issues, it will probably explode into fungal issues just before committing suicide!
Reply #6 of 23 posted 25 MAY 13 by goncmg
I refuse to believe it!!! LOL....but I didn't listen on Grey Pearl last year and my two bands bloomed themselves to death as you warned. Did really well until about August then one of the 2 just died. Then the other one went from looking good to looking upset and simply died over the winter in the imnsulated., never below 25 and often above 32 garage. !!!!!
Reply #7 of 23 posted 25 MAY 13 by Greenman
My Soleil d'Or is now almost three years old. I just posted some photos of its spring blossoms. It is true it has the worst blackspot of any other roses I have, but so far has sent out fresh growth periodically to make up for what is lost to blackspot. And to be honest, its only slightly worse than some of the mid-century roses like Circus or even some more modern ones like Overnight Scentsation. Right now, it is loosing most of its leaves and the more recent blossoms have been stunted, but it also has 3 basal breaks and several fresh growths from upper branches. Not that I would actually encourage anyone to grow it, mind. I fertilize it like heck and also occasionally give it a sulpher shower. Even then, it is usually covered in blackspot and has infrequent blooms other than the first flush.
Reply #8 of 23 posted 29 MAY 13 by Benaminh
Hmmm, go figure... there's a gigantic thicket of Soleil d'Or at the U.C. Berkeley Botanical Garden always covered in blooms. Guess it likes Strawberry Canyon's micro-climate.
Reply #9 of 23 posted 29 MAY 13 by Rupert, Kim L.
That's likely why it's as good as it is. Every rose is good somewhere. It appears this one has found its spot. IF you can see it perfect, it is spectacular. Unfortunately, it most often isn't. But, you can see why it was so exciting to Pernet when it flowered, can't you?
Reply #10 of 23 posted 30 MAY 13 by goncmg
Kim, exactly! Every rose is good SOMEWHERE and somehow, right? Be it just a strong clone or the right micro-climate or the handling by the grower that, for whatever reasons, "speaks" to the rose. This is why I guess so many of us are addicted to them! They are not "guaranteed" success stories but there are some GREAT success stories to talk about!
Reply #11 of 23 posted 11 FEB 15 by Salix
Very, very, very, very, very wierdly- this is one of the best spring performers in the practically uncared for Snug Harbor rose garden. Either mislabeled or somehow it tolerates a little salt, cold, humidity and rain much better than anywhere else. Stunning.
Reply #12 of 23 posted 11 FEB 15 by Rupert, Kim L.
The conditions are just right for it to be happy. Let the climate warm up sufficiently and see how it responds...
Reply #13 of 23 posted 11 FEB 15 by Salix
Heehee :P Or let the smog drift over once they finally extend the main road... Meanwhile I'll enjoy it
Reply #14 of 23 posted 12 FEB 15 by goncmg
Meanwhile a few years after my RAVE.....I still have my Soleil d'Or on its own roots. It is a lovely, small shrub in its pot. HOWEVER, lol, last summer it managed to RAIN in Columbus every single day. Usually Soleil had his "medicine" and yes, I would squirt him almost every day. But I lost the battle this year. And WHOA so did Soleil d'Or!!!! Wanna see a plant DENUDE from blackspot in a matter of HOURS? GOOD GRIEF! And once it did, there was no turning back. I won't toss it, it had 3 good summers with me albeit with DAILY "MEDICINE" but last year was a nightmare. It denuded around July 1 and tried to refoliate but then THOSE were knocked out. It sits, in my garage, awaiting spring. It is nude. It looks as it has looked since last July 1.
Reply #15 of 23 posted 12 FEB 15 by Salix
But those flowers and the scented growth make it almost worth it....

Now you can understand why this rose was released- the form and color of the rose is spectacular. It really was revolutionary, although it's a shame it's so so sick. I'll try to get a picture this May. It does not repeat.
Reply #16 of 23 posted 12 FEB 15 by goncmg
Oh yes, the scent is so unique! It smells like Juicy Fruit gum to me! There is nothing like Soleil. Quite a character. I have no plans to get rid of it. Just lots more "medicine." The first flush of blooms is insane! And it repeats very well, which surprised me.
Reply #17 of 23 posted 12 FEB 15 by Salix
The repeat is climate dependent, then! I have seen the foetida throw a bloom if it gets dry enough during the summer, so it goes under another dormancy. The thing got huge there, like a sprawling tree, with lots of foliage, and even more underneath it! The scent is a little more herbal-y I guess than gum, almost like it had a little Amol ( in it. God, I hate Amol... But this smells WAAAY better ;p
Reply #18 of 23 posted 13 FEB 15 by Salix
I wonder how Lady Penzance smell like?
Reply #20 of 23 posted 25 OCT 15 by Salix
I saw a bloom hidden under the rootstock's canes in Snug Harbor. Darn, such color! If it were not for the BS, it would be a great rose...
Reply #22 of 23 posted 30 JUL by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Is this rose shade-tolerant, like 4 hours of evening sun, or does it need full-sun? Thanks.
Reply #19 of 23 posted 5 JUN 15 by Salix
Actually, it turns out they let ti grow big (wrist-wide canes), which they lob back enough to prevent all but the occasional bloom, forcing it to push out good growth :/ Also, the spot is good- sunny and dry
Reply #21 of 23 posted 5 JUN by princesskatja
Definitely a dry climate rose. Here in Spokane, WA (if you are not familiar with Washington, the eastern side of the state is actually high desert, not "evergreen") it is happy and extremely healthy with zero treatment. But blackspot and mildew are virtually unknown here.

It shrugged off a terrible winter this year (2017) that killed off anything grafted and knocked nearly everything back to the ground. Not Soleil d'Or. It's bushy, and loaded with fat buds. And it was planted as a band only a couple of years ago.

So if you have hot, dry summers - it might still be worth growing!
Reply #23 of 23 posted 14 NOV by slumgullion
I agree, Soleil is doing well here (this year at least) in the dry part of southern Oregon. Has been blooming all year (right up till now in November) and has kept all its leaves. This is only my second year with it (and last year it defoliated completely) so I'll see how it goes, but so far so good! (knock on wood)
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