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StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
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We have had warm weather up into the eighties; the petals baked. It is in mostly sun. Does it need moire water? Less heat?
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Golden Celebration needs LOOSE & LOAMY & alkaline soil for FASTEST water-uptake. If you put a straw into clay, versus a straw into a glass of water with loose pebbles, it would be easier to draw up water from pebbles/water, than from dense clay.
There's a guy in San Francisco who proved that plants wilt easily in the heat with dense clay, but when he made his clay loamy by mixing in 50% wood-chips, they no longer wilt, despite full sun & hot temp.
My Golden Celebration was in full-sun, loamy & fluffy ALKALINE composted horse manure .. leaves never wilt. Then I moved it to heavy & dense clay, 4 hours morning sun only, tons of rain-water from the gutter .. and it wilted in the sun. Why? The clay is too dense, so water can't be drawn up. Plus I put too much gypsum which drove potassium down. Potassium is needed for retention of water & water-osmosis. The solution to Golden Celebration: make the soil loamy for best water-uptake & supply potassium.
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That's a great explanation, thanks Straw!
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Adding humus to heavy soils also opens them up and creates suitable conditions for the natural mycorrhizal fungi to flourish. Everyones a winner.
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Agree to that !! Horse manure is best when it's at least 2 year-old and become humus & dark brown and moist. But the best humus is from decayed leaves, very fluffy, much easier for roots to go through than aged horse manure. Leaves in my zone 5a take at least 2 years to decompose to neutral pH.
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Golden Celebration as own-root likes it alkaline & much more vigorous and healthy if the soil is moist & alkaline and loamy. Now is 92 F hot & dry, and blooms don't scorch in full-sun, since I watered with my pH 9 tap-water, and the blooms have a better scent than with acidic rain. Comte de Chambord next to it have crispy-fried blooms in the heat. Golden Cel's blooms did fry when it was 1st-year own root, but mine is 7th year own-root, so root is deep.
I give it high potassium & high phosphorus, NPK 8-20-40, plus gypsum in the planting hole for its zillion petals. Blooms smell like cup-cakes fresh from the oven (if pH is alkaline), but lesser-quality or gone with acidic rain water. I had seen pictures of Golden Celebration with tons of blooms in a pot, so this rose can bloom well with alkaline-tap-water. I like it so much, I wish I had bought more.
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Im looking to try a little cross breeding project does anyone here know weather or not this is fertile in pollen or makes hips? and if not which DA are not sterile
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#7 of 7 posted
11 days ago by
 Nastarana
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'Golden Celebration' makes round green hips which are the size of small crab apples.
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Hello,
Beautiful rose! What is bio char and also where do you purchase chicken manure?
Thanks!
Evelyn
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I get chicken manure from Ace Hardware or from Menards, apply only ONCE in spring time. I make my own biochar by burning tree branches at low flame in a fire pit, then douse it to get black charcoal rather than white ash.
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27 FEB 12 by
goncmg
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A shame this rose is barely available if at all......the blooms are a little small, the plant tends to grow wider than tall, and the form is not for exhibition but the color is lovely! Always reminded me of "fruit on the bottom" yogurt in boysenberry or some sort of berry! The scent is insane, strong and hard and makes your mouth water. Grew this one for 10 years in the 80's until we moved and by then it was not easily found. Scent seems to be "in" now, again/finally and the namesake has always been well-esteemed. Maybe someday this one will re-appear. It is a nice, good rose.
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The name is hard to remember, perhaps that's the downfall.
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Maybe it could be rebranded as "Calvin Klein," or is that name also past recognition these days? It's so hard to keep up. :-)
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Summer Song is a really special rose in a rare colour. That said, I really hate these secretive "seedling x seedling" statements. Mr Austin did not invent roses, he built upon the works of others, who themselves have been building upon the works of others for generations. Nobody can make me believe Mr Austin got Summer Song as a chance seedling with unknown parentage. By not disclosing the parentage, he wants to prevent others from going down the same road in hybridising.
Of course it's not only an Austin phenomenon, and part of my argument is vain because I can use Summer Song itself in hybridising, but I still find this kind of non-disclosure irritating to say the least.
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It would be fun to guess the parentage. I grow two own-root Pat Austin with shiny & glossy foliage, and I can see some Pat Austin in pictures of Summer Song's leaves. Pat is a water-hog and can't take full-sun & best in 4 hours of morning sun. Pat Austin has a mango scent (like Summer Song). Another rose that might be in Summer Song's parentage is Geranium Red (amazing scent & many petals, but wimpy).
The glossy-foliage like Summer Song and Pat Austin need alkaline minerals & shade and constant wetness more than others, in my experience of growing 110+ OWN-ROOT roses.
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17 DEC by
jmile
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I got my first Summer Song this year. We get very hot in the Summer in Zone 9B so I put it where it only got sun half day. It grew very listlessly. It produced some flowers but not much----so I moved it into full sun and heat----It loved it. It perked up and sent out new growth. I didn't water it a lot either---- it was adapt or die and it chose to adapt and it is looking a lot better. I am hoping that next year will be even a better year in full sun and hot weather. I got two more young plants this Fall so I will experiment. Maybe graft it onto Fortuniana to see how that goes.
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The habit of not disclosing parentage is particularly annoying for us who garden in difficult climates because it prevents us from studying lineages to help us determine whether a cultivar can thrive in our climate and soil conditions. It does help a little to know in which of his five categories Austin places his roses, but even that information is not always or often included in nursery descriptions.
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