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Karin Schade
most recent 8 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 8 NOV by Karin Schade
This is not the rose that is described in the references.
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most recent 5 OCT 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 4 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
Very nice. Congratulations.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 5 OCT 16 by sutekesh
Agreed! Am I wrong in thinking there is a bit of 'Blue for You' in there?

Edit: Lineage wasn't there this morning - updated now. So I was right. Thanks
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 5 OCT 16 by Karin Schade
Thanks! And, yes, Blue For You has got many beautiful children ;-). I really like breeding with that rose ....
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 5 OCT 16 by sutekesh
I haven't used Blue for You yet but plan to next season.
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most recent 23 JUN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 2 APR 15 by Karin Schade
This is not a sport of Gallica officinalis.
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Reply #1 of 18 posted 2 APR 15 by Patricia Routley
There is at least one reference which says it is. Can you take a look please Karin.
(My computer translates part of the French reference from Jean-Pierre Vibert's site with the gorgeous sentence "Rose garden shopping is not a sport.")
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Reply #2 of 18 posted 3 APR 15 by Karin Schade
That sentence is really deserving a prize :-D.
"Cet hybride n'a aucune parenté avec rosa gallica officinalis, ni avec rosa officinalis versicolor. Roseraie de Commer n'est pas un sport. "
Jean Pierre Vibert writes that his hybrid is not related to Gallica officinalis neither to Versicolor. It is not a sport.
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Reply #3 of 18 posted 3 APR 15 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Karin.
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Reply #4 of 18 posted 1 FEB 16 by flodur
"Roseraie de Commer n'est pas un sport." Statement of Jean Pierre Vibert on his Homepage. I think that has more truth than the reference of the American Rose Society . You should change the listing. The breeder shoulg know what he did! (As Karin said a year ago)
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Reply #5 of 18 posted 1 FEB 16 by Patricia Routley
We list no parentage in the listing. What do you suggest we change please?
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Reply #6 of 18 posted 2 FEB 16 by flodur
You still say:
"Discovered by Jean-Pierre Vibert II"
instead of
Bred by......
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Reply #7 of 18 posted 2 FEB 16 by Rupert, Kim L.
It appears it should be changed to "Bred by" instead of "Discovered by" as the person credited says it is not a sport. Therefore it has to be a seedling, or a found rose. I wish the breeder would have been more precise, stating, "I raised it from seed" or by listing the parentage.
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Reply #8 of 18 posted 2 FEB 16 by flodur
We should accept that M. Vibert doesn't give the parentage for none of his roses.
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Reply #9 of 18 posted 25 MAY 16 by Jay-Jay
I would take a bet on it, he used Oh Wow!
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Reply #10 of 18 posted 25 MAY 16 by Karin Schade
Oh Wow bred in 2009, Roseraie de Commer bred in 2001 ;-).
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Reply #11 of 18 posted 25 MAY 16 by Jay-Jay
Oops... That bet I lost!
They look like twins though except for the scent and the rebloom.
Amazing how nature/culture finds ways to express its-self the "same way" via different routes.
Danke Karin, that You corrected me.
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Reply #12 of 18 posted 22 JUN 16 by Karin Schade
Hm...really not a sport? I have got a picture of a reverse sport, I think - what do you think? ;-)
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Reply #13 of 18 posted 22 JUN 16 by Jay-Jay
Maybe it's the shortest way, to contact the breeder himself via the website: http://www.jeanpierrevibert.com/jean-pierre-vibert-accueil.html (Es gibt unterhalb seines Bildes an der rechten Seite ein Kontaktformular)
I guess, he would be delighted to see Your photos.
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Reply #14 of 18 posted 22 JUN 16 by Jay-Jay
Why a reverse sport? ...and not a forward sport?
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Reply #15 of 18 posted 22 JUN 16 by Karin Schade
You know that I have planted all striped old garden roses in a certain area to do comparisons. The number of sports to non-striped forms is very high. For example Versicolor to Officinalis, Tricolor de Flandre does it, Variegata di Bologna does it and some of the others, a rose that goes around under several names. The striped roses are all not so strong and healthy as their non-striped sports.
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Reply #16 of 18 posted 22 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
What about Ferdinand Pichard? That one has a reputation for being robust and healthy.
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Reply #17 of 18 posted 23 JUN 16 by flodur
All my striped roses are very healthy and vigorous, if they are sports or not! I think thats only a question of cultivation and care. Variegata di Bologna, Honorine de Brabant 2.5 to 3.0 m, Ferdinand Pichard freezes down depending on the winter, but is back in every year, full of blooms. Commandant Beaurepaire 2,0 m, Centifolia 'Variegata' 1,8 m on on roots and Roseraie de Commer 1,5 m in the third year.
By the way, a "re-sport" is not a proof, that a striped rose is a sport, only that one of the parents was not striped!
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Reply #18 of 18 posted 23 JUN 16 by Karin Schade
But if we look, for example, at Quatre Saison and its mossy sport Quatre Saison Blanc Mousseux, you will always get Quatre Saison as a sport of the mossy one, it would be very improbable that you will get the same mossy sport out of Quatre Saison.
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most recent 6 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 NOV 15 by Karin Schade
Bulls Eye in Europe seems to be CHEwbullseye.
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