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Breeze Hill is also being sold as this rose
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This is listed as a found rose which isn't correct. From communication with Dr Yoshihiro Ueda a few years ago he informed me he introduced the Chinese ancient roses(Chun Shui Lu Bo,Jin Pin Fan Lu, Qin Lian Xue Shi, Si Chun, Sui Mei Ren, Tian Nu Guang, Ji Nang, Yin Ri He Hua) from Huaian Yueji Yuan(Huaian Rose Garden) in Jiangsu Province of China in 2002
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I wonder if this one is an old tea hybrid from the early 1900s colonial period that somehow wound up in the Chinese garden, or is there evidence of this hybrid existing in China before the 1800s?
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I don't understand why you would suppose this. There were hundreds of bred roses going back to before the Ming dynasty, mostly double and repeat blooming. somewhere I have an article mentioning around 60 varieties. What we class as Teas and Chinas were brought back to Europe in the late 18th century by Italian missionaries of which many were probably used by the French breeders. Nearly all of the earliest Teas died out, probably from not being hardy eneugh for the european (French) climate. Its pretty well documented that the Chinese were very fond of large double flowered repeating roses well before even the missionaries turned up. Unless someone can match this rose's characteristics to an existing HT, I can't agree with this hypothesis
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John, eight years down the track, do you have any more thoughts on this rose? I gather it may have come from Peter Beales, as his 1985 and 1993 references mention “blush pink”.
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The rose came from Walter Branchi in 2001. I believe he obtained it from Fineschi who obtained most of his teas from Sanguerhausan in the mid 20 century. I think this rose is probably the true Mme de Tartas. I obtained a Mme de Tartas from Beales around 2005 which was incorrect, I can't remember what it was. This is one of the few Teas we took with us when we moved. Unfortunately we are unable to access our old collection as we are in a legal dispute with the purchasers of our property
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Thank you John, After seeing a strong similarity this autumn between “Isabel Smith” and ‘Comtesse de Labarthe’, I am looking at the possibility of the Australian foundling “Isabel Smith” being ‘Madame de Tartas’. I feel that it was quite likely that Bernede may have used his 1857 ‘Comtesse de Labarthe’ in the parentage for his 1859 ‘Mme de Tartas’,
(I am a bit confused at the provenance of your rose, the caption reading “ 20 years ago from the UK”. But your comment says Sangerhausen-> Fineschi-> Branchi-> Hook.) I don’t think so clearly these days, and would love to know why you think your creamy rose is probably the true ‘Mme de Tartas’.
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Rose Listing Omission
6 discoverd roses from china
I have 6 collected roses from china not listed, 2 dating back to the ming dynasty. Would you like these added
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#1 of 6 posted
23 DEC 09 by
Cass
Absolutely. Have you or others assigned them study names?
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Hello cass most of these roses are the true names but I have indicated where they are study names. If you give me an adress, I can send pics as I sort them out and you can enter the info onto the site as seems appropriate.
Fen Zhang Lu Ju Nang Hume's Blush (Laos form) Jin Ou Fan Lu L19 Laos (study name) Yellow Tea from Lijang (study name) Mt. Omei Sichuan (study name) N 92 Nanjing (study name) Sui Men Ren Tian Nu Buang
all collected by Mr Katsuhiko Maebara and Prof Yoshihuro Ueda and supplied to me by Helga Brichet
John Hook
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#3 of 6 posted
3 JAN 10 by
Cass
Hi, John, I'll add the rest of these today. In the interim, see:
Fen Zhang Lou (I'll add the alternative spelling} http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.61648
Jin Ou Fan Lu http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25889
See also: Lijang Rose http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.27618.2
Lan Tian Bi http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25888
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#4 of 6 posted
3 JAN 10 by
Cass
Here they are. If you post your comments under the Member Comments tab of each rose, I'll add details like bloom form, color and possible classes.
Ju Nang: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62511.0
Hume's Blush (Laos form) http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62512.0
Jin Ou Fan Lu http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25889
"L19 Laos" http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62513.0
"Yellow Tea from Lijang" http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62514.0
"Mt Omei Sichuan" (is this a species?) http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62515.0
"N 92 Nanjing" http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62516.0
Sui Men Ren http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62517.0
Tian Nu Buang http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62518.0
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Oh, what a delectable bunch! if it weren't for the quarantine restrictions...
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#6 of 6 posted
10 JAN 23 by
mike8293
hey good one keep it up
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