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John Hook
most recent 20 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 JUN by John Hook
Breeze Hill is also being sold as this rose
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most recent 6 JUN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 10 FEB 17 by John Hook
This is listed as a found rose which isn't correct.
From communication with Dr Yoshihiro Ueda a few years ago
he informed me he introduced the Chinese ancient roses(Chun Shui Lu Bo,Jin Pin Fan Lu, Qin Lian Xue Shi, Si Chun, Sui Mei Ren, Tian Nu Guang, Ji Nang, Yin Ri He Hua) from Huaian Yueji Yuan(Huaian Rose Garden) in
Jiangsu Province of China
in 2002
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 6 JUN by Matthew 0rwat
I wonder if this one is an old tea hybrid from the early 1900s colonial period that somehow wound up in the Chinese garden, or is there evidence of this hybrid existing in China before the 1800s?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 JUN by John Hook
I don't understand why you would suppose this. There were hundreds of bred roses going back to before the Ming dynasty, mostly double and repeat blooming. somewhere I have an article mentioning around 60 varieties. What we class as Teas and Chinas were brought back to Europe in the late 18th century by Italian missionaries of which many were probably used by the French breeders. Nearly all of the earliest Teas died out, probably from not being hardy eneugh for the european (French) climate. Its pretty well documented that the Chinese were very fond of large double flowered repeating roses well before even the missionaries turned up. Unless someone can match this rose's characteristics to an existing HT, I can't agree with this hypothesis
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most recent 19 MAY HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 MAY by Patricia Routley
John, eight years down the track, do you have any more thoughts on this rose? I gather it may have come from Peter Beales, as his 1985 and 1993 references mention “blush pink”.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 MAY by John Hook
The rose came from Walter Branchi in 2001. I believe he obtained it from Fineschi who obtained most of his teas from Sanguerhausan in the mid 20 century. I think this rose is probably the true Mme de Tartas. I obtained a Mme de Tartas from Beales around 2005 which was incorrect, I can't remember what it was. This is one of the few Teas we took with us when we moved. Unfortunately we are unable to access our old collection as we are in a legal dispute with the purchasers of our property
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 19 MAY by Patricia Routley
Thank you John,
After seeing a strong similarity this autumn between “Isabel Smith” and ‘Comtesse de Labarthe’, I am looking at the possibility of the Australian foundling “Isabel Smith” being ‘Madame de Tartas’.
I feel that it was quite likely that Bernede may have used his 1857 ‘Comtesse de Labarthe’ in the parentage for his 1859 ‘Mme de Tartas’,

(I am a bit confused at the provenance of your rose, the caption reading “ 20 years ago from the UK”.
But your comment says Sangerhausen-> Fineschi-> Branchi-> Hook.)
I don’t think so clearly these days, and would love to know why you think your creamy rose is probably the true ‘Mme de Tartas’.
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most recent 10 JAN 23 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 DEC 09 by John Hook
Rose Listing Omission

6 discoverd roses from china

I have 6 collected roses from china not listed, 2 dating back to the ming dynasty. Would you like these added
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 23 DEC 09 by Cass
Absolutely. Have you or others assigned them study names?
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 3 JAN 10 by John Hook
Hello cass
most of these roses are the true names but I have indicated where they are study names. If you give me an adress, I can send pics as I sort them out and you can enter the info onto the site as seems appropriate.

Fen Zhang Lu
Ju Nang
Hume's Blush (Laos form)
Jin Ou Fan Lu
L19 Laos (study name)
Yellow Tea from Lijang (study name)
Mt. Omei Sichuan (study name)
N 92 Nanjing (study name)
Sui Men Ren
Tian Nu Buang

all collected by Mr Katsuhiko Maebara and Prof Yoshihuro Ueda and supplied to me by Helga Brichet


John Hook
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 3 JAN 10 by Cass
Hi, John, I'll add the rest of these today. In the interim, see:

Fen Zhang Lou (I'll add the alternative spelling}
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.61648

Jin Ou Fan Lu
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25889

See also:
Lijang Rose
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.27618.2

Lan Tian Bi
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25888
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 3 JAN 10 by Cass
Here they are. If you post your comments under the Member Comments tab of each rose, I'll add details like bloom form, color and possible classes.

Ju Nang:
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62511.0

Hume's Blush (Laos form)
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62512.0

Jin Ou Fan Lu
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.25889

"L19 Laos"
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62513.0

"Yellow Tea from Lijang"
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62514.0

"Mt Omei Sichuan" (is this a species?)
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62515.0

"N 92 Nanjing"
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62516.0

Sui Men Ren
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62517.0

Tian Nu Buang
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.62518.0
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 3 JAN 10 by Margaret Furness
Oh, what a delectable bunch! if it weren't for the quarantine restrictions...
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 10 JAN 23 by mike8293
hey good one keep it up
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