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Niels Plougmann
most recent 20 JAN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 JUL 11 by HonzaPM
It may be that Tantau used old rose ´La France´ to breed this rose. Don´t you think?
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 21 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Very unlikely :-) - Since La France to my knowledge is sterile and can not be used for hybridization. But the scent is very similar.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 21 APR 12 by HonzaPM
Niels, thank you for that information about La France and your kind comment.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 21 APR 12 by Margaret Furness
Perhaps La France has lost some of its fertility, if it won't reproduce for you? Helpmefind lists very large numbers of descendants.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 22 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Thank you Margaret. Danish Rosarian Valdemar Petersen claimed it was sterile - but looking at the list of descendants surely contradicts this. Not that I want to use it for hybridization myself though :-)
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 22 APR 12 by Patricia Routley
I think Mr. Petersen was reasonably correct.
I count only 11 first generation descendents from 'La France' 1867 using its seed:

Cannes la Coquette 1877
Danmark 1890
Mrs. W.J. Grant <1892
Principessa di Napoli (hybrid perpetual, Lodi/Bonfiglioli, 1897)
France et Russie 1899
Ober-Hofgärtner Franz Joost 1902
Mrs. Theodore Roosevelt 1903
Dr. Krüger's La France 1916
John Cook 1917
Silver Beauty 1956.
Morgenluft 1962

The other first generation descendents were using 'La France' pollen, or sports.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 22 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Thank you for your reply Patricia - It could indicate that La France, have very low fertility - albeit not totally sterile since he and other hybridizers gave up using it. As much as I appreciate the beauty of many classes of roses - fragrance will always be an important trait I look for in a rose. Tantau have attracted some very good roses, that are both healthy and very fragrant.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 20 JAN by Eiiia
父母本都可育,但如果不喜欢末药茴香,需要注意。低温会出现末药。发芽率挺高。

[ed. As per google translate
"Both parents are fertile, but if you don't like fennel, you need to be careful. At low temperatures, the last medicine will appear. The germination rate is quite high."]
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most recent 6 DEC 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 MAY 09 by Niels Plougmann
Photo shows the rose Frühlingsduft - not Chinatown
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 MAR 10 by Christina i Taxinge, Sweden
Sorry, but this photo shows Chinatown!
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 DEC 22 by MiGreenThumb
Sorry, but it can't be.
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most recent 25 MAY 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 16 MAY 11 by Hei_hei
Does anybody know if this rose is going to be released in Europe?? Or if there is any European company associated wit J&P...
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 26 JUL 11 by HonzaPM
Please, we need this rose in Europe. Help us. :)))
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 21 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
Totally agree - I am eagerly waiting for this White Hybrid Tea to make it here to Europe too. It is getting good reviews. I will ask Hans van Tage in Holland, Rozenkwekerij de Bierkreek to see if he can get permission to import it from Jackson and Perkins. Very strange that a rose with this name has taken so long to get here :-) - Many Jackson and Perkins roses are rarer here in Europe than - elephants perfoming - Le Spectre de la Rose.
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 21 APR 12 by HonzaPM
Niels, thank you for this information. Let´s stay in touch in case of any news you got.
I keep rose Annapurna in my garden, it may be simmilar to Pope. It´s fragrance is fantastic.
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 21 APR 12 by Niels Plougmann
I am sure we can get a nursery to import it if - Jackson and Perkins will allow it to be sold in Europe. It is rare to see a white rose -so pure and white since most white roses get spots due to rain or even just from the humidity that dew gives. And most say it has a very good fragrance too :-) So let us hope we can get it here by budding time in July/August - and then we needs to wait a year for the plants.
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by Just-one-more-rose
Does anyone know if this has changed? I'm in the Netherlands and haven't found it online here or in Germany
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by HonzaPM
Hi there, yes, this rose is few seasons already available in Europe. In Czech Republic it is sold by Starkl. They also have nurseries in Austria and other countries.
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by HonzaPM
Here is the direct link.
https://eshop.starkl.at/edelrose-papst-johannes-paul-ii-1-stk/
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by Just-one-more-rose
Oh, thank you very much! Perhaps HMF can add Papst Johannes Paul II to the names?
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by Jay-Jay
Bij mij groeit ie in de tuin. En in Vilebranch Bramble.
It's growing in my garden. And in V.B. too.
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by Just-one-more-rose
Oh, that's wonderful. What is Villebranch Bramble? (Google doesn't give anything) Do you by any chance remember where you bought it? The link above from HonzaPM is in Austria, with branches in Eastern Europe, but not delivering in the Netherlands.
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 24 MAY 18 by Jay-Jay
This is: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.22186
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Reply #12 of 12 posted 25 MAY 18 by Just-one-more-rose
Oh, it's a person :-) Thank you
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most recent 22 MAR 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 16 JUN 07 by Niels Plougmann
So rare and nice to see the real SDAL!!! Almost all other roses sold as SDAL are Erinnerung an Brod. It took me years to find the real rose. Where did you get yours from?
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 16 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
It's in the biggest rose collection in Australia, Ruston's nursery at Renmark. I don't know where it came from, but will ask David when I go to the nursery for a working bee in July.
Ennering an Brod isn't available in Australia as far as I know, but I've seen it in New Zealand.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 17 JUN 07 by Margaret Furness
Sorry about the spelling error.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 17 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
I look forward hearing about where this nursery got their budwood from. I am trying to track down the origin of the original SDAL, which you obviously also are the ovner of. Your rose is the same as the one pictured in Botanicas roses. Which is the real SDAL. I got 3 Erinnerung an Brods before I found the real thing. Did you also Notice among the other pictures here on HMF that some are Erinnerung an Brod? It really confuses other users to be shown the wrong rose, by those who bought Erinnerung an Brod. But of course they think they got the right rose, since it was labeled SDAL.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 25 JUN 07 by Margaret Furness
I wouldn't be surprised if the SDAL in Botanica was the same plant as I photographed - I know that James Young contributed photos to Botanica's Roses, and he has done a lot of photography at Ruston's.
If you want to be confused by wrong identifications, have a look at Tea roses! Mme Lambard, for example, is sold under at least 5 different names in Australia.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 29 JUN 07 by Niels Plougmann
Really interesting information! I hope David will be able to tell where they got the plant from!
And yes I have seen rosariums like Sangerhausen growing the same rose under 4 different names!!! This of course makes it easy to claim you have more than 12000 different roses in the collection.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 9 JUL 07 by Margaret Furness
Unfortunately David doesn't have a record of where his plant came from.
Margaret
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 22 MAR 18 by Margaret Furness
This plant was in the block of roses recently demolished in favour of a commercial planting.
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