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Jerome Molokie
most recent 24 SEP 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 FEB 12 by Jerome Molokie
Having grown this rose for only 11 months now, I am very pleased with it. It has beautiful growth habit, lots of foliage (the description says "medium green" but to my eye it's darker, with bronze new growth and stems that stay a mahogany color - most attractive) and bushy habit. It does send out some longer shoots, but where I have it planted it is not an "octopus". Its flowers are very fragrant and produced with regularity. After the experience of these past 11 months - I liked Young Lycidas so much that I ordered more bare root plants to put in this season as well. A very nice rose.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 17 AUG 17 by mamabotanica
Still doing well? I bought a Barbara Streisand own root hybrid tea for the lovely purple color and fragrance but in the photos on here some look more silvery than I like. Wondering if I should gift it to someone and plant Young Lycidas in that spot (Bright morning and afternoon sun but full shade from about 2 pm onward in my warm zone 10 Pasadena garden.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 17 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Barbra Streisand as own-root gives me a hard-time in hot & dry weather. The color is dull-gray-purple. Leaves fried in full-sun at mid 80 F. So I moved Barbra to 4 hours of morning sun .. bloomed well with tons of acidic rain & flash flood. Then we got into hot & dry and I watered with my alkaline-tap water for only 4 days, and Barbra immediately broke out in blackspot (so wimpy as own-root). In contrast, folks report about Young Lycidas: 1) good for the vase 2) can take full-sun 3) leaves are similar to Sharifa Asma, and Sharifa Asma behaves well in hot & dry as own-root for me.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 23 AUG 17 by Jerome Molokie
Yes...it's still plugging along. Great rose
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 17 FEB 18 by mamabotanica
How big is it in your garden? I have a small spot that I could fit a smallish rose in (3x3 ideally but 4x4 could work) and I know that Austins are notorious for growing to gargantuan proportions in Southern California. Does she stay petite or perhaps pruning to keep her under control?
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 20 FEB 18 by Jerome Molokie
I'd say it would be easily maintainable at 4 x 4 or even smaller. At least that's been the experience here at the abbey.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 24 SEP 22 by Anita silicon valley
In Zone 10 in Santa Clara Valley my Young Lycidas is 4 feet high and 5 feet wide with water restrictions.
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most recent 5 NOV 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 MAY 12 by Jerome Molokie
Etrusca was planted here in Orange County as small gallon plants (3 of them) in March of 2011. In May of 2012, all three plants are very large, close to 6 feet tall, and beautiful. It is very mildew prone for me here in Trabuco Canyon, but this can be controlled easily by moderate spraying. The foliage, when clean, is large and mahogany/burgundy in color, making a wonderful contrast to the orange apricot blooms. Fragrance is on the stronger side of moderate when the sun is striking and warming the bloom, otherwise very light. This is a rose that needs the warmth of the sun to coax the fragrance out. Here, it is also a rose that puts out growth and structure before it blooms a lot. It has, so far, only put out a few flowers, but now that it has thrown up huge canes and these are sending out side branches, it appears to be gearing up for a big flush. This is the abbey garden's second Barni rose (the other being Roberto Capucci) and I like what I've seen.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 5 NOV 17 by jmys
Thank you for your comments, so appreciated. Do you know the bloom size?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 5 NOV 17 by Jerome Molokie
They weren’t huge, and unfortunately the plant went into decline about a season ago and died. The Barni roses don’t like the climate here (too hot and dry, I’m thinking), and Roberto Capuci (spelling?) is doing poorly too. If I had to do it again, I’d put these two in semi-shaded positions.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 5 NOV 17 by jmys
Thank you. I appreciate the info. Such a pretty rose. I live in Oregon and might just risk it.
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Initial post 30 AUG 07 by Beth Clark
Here in South Africa, Leonidas is said to be quite touchy about its care, being a florists' rose, & is hard to acquire for the garden. My one planted last year has thrown up a few absolutely exquisite blooms (even to giving me florists' colour in the autumn with the cooler temperatures) but has not proven to be a strong grower, despite getting the same care, sun, compost, mulch, fertiliser, spraying & water as the others that are getting quite carried away with themselves & have to be hacked back periodically. We are not in an especially hot or dry area of South Africa.

Are there any tips as to what Leonidas really, really wants in life?

I have just bought another one from a different source just in case the original is just not a happy camper in general.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 3 DEC 07 by Unregistered Guest
This one has truly beautiful blooms, and mine has the most novel coloration in the early spring and fall when temperatures are cooler (as does Hot Cocoa). When I got my plant, the nurseryman said it was "not a beginner's rose" and needed a lot of care (by which he meant disease control). Mine hasn't taken off either. It is definitely hurt his year by downy mildew, which is especially bad in my area this year. I think it's just not a particularly robust rose, but I'd love to be proven wrong!
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 3 DEC 07 by HMF Admin
Thank you both for sharing your experience with HMF.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 2 MAR 08 by Kathy Strong
We've been growing this rose for at least 5 years in my mom's east San Diego, California garden, and we now have 3 of them, as I also thought "we must've got a bad specimen" twice. Leonidas is just not a strong grower here either, and it is the first rose in the garden to get mildew and rust, both. And we do spray with the exhibitor's routine of exotic spray materials. That's what the nursery guy meant when he said "it's not a beginner's rose." It's definitely NOT "set if and forget it." And none of the three plants have ever had more than one or two surviving basal canes at any one time.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 4 MAR 08 by Kim Rupert
Despite the introducers' claims that Leonidas is a good garden rose for virtually any garden in the Los Angeles area a few years ago in rose society meetings, this rose is one which was chosen specifically for its performance under glass. Those wonderful colors only appear when temperatures and duration of light are tightly controlled, or when your outdoor conditions closely replicate them. It is NOT a strong grower under most garden conditions and, in my experience, in an area where disease is not usually problematic, it does require chemical intervention to be anywhere near "acceptable". I love the odd colors and jumped at the chance to grow Leonidas when it first became available. It languished here for two years until I delighted in cutting the plants up for the trash.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 29 MAY 12 by Jerome Molokie
A friend of the abbey gave me Leonidas about 7-8 years ago, and I was not happy. I knew it to be a touchy, weak grower, and I didn't want that color anyway in a garden that largely featured pale Teas and English roses. I put it in a spot on a hill, out of the way, and ignored it, except that I fed it like the rest of the roses, gave it periodic watering, and didn't really prune it in January. I must say, after year 5, it started putting out thick basal canes, and is vigorous now. It blooms a lot, and is garden worthy - it just took a long time. It is a rose that likes plenty of compost and regular feeding with good deep watering every week or so. I was very surprised at how it took off. It is mildew prone in the climate I live in, but not too badly. Overall, Leonidas has been a nice surprise in the garden here.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 8 AUG 17 by jmile
I think that you hit the nail on the head when you said that you don't pamper this rose. Mine grows big and healthy too. I water deeply every 2+ weeks. I throw horse stall and chicken droppings on this and others of my roses sporadically when I clean up after the animals. There is a mixture of alfalfa, wood shavings and pine needles also in the waste mixture. We are very hot and humidity is usually in the 20's. I do not spray my roses. This roses survives just fine when others die. We had irrigation problems last year when our Irrigation District lost some of their old old concrete pipes. This and other of my roses spent August and September without water. It survived when others did not.
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most recent 13 JUN 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 31 MAY 11 by Jerome Molokie
This is one beautiful rose. I ordered three of them and put them in the ground in late March - about 2 months ago. The blooms are fantastic, and the fragrance very unusual to my nose - a bit like Souvenir de la Malmaison. I would highly recommend it for California people
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 4 JUL 12 by Enrique R Munoz
where did you order yours?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 4 JUL 12 by Jerome Molokie
Roses Unlimited
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 10 JUN 17 by raingreen
Another southern California gardener here. How has the plant worked out for you??

Thanks!!

Nate
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 JUN 17 by Jerome Molokie
I like it a lot. It is in a bad spot, and wasn't getting water for a long while there - so went into decline. It is doing much better this year. It is thorny, so not fun to prune in winter - but the flowers and growth are really lovely.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 13 JUN 17 by raingreen
Thanks Jerome, your'e the best!!! Nate
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