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'Agrippina' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 1-751
most recent 27 APR 10 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
I planted Cramoisis superior a year ago (ARE) and I expected the first year to be slow in seeing growth. This year I have about 10-12 beautiful blossoms on the bush but it is at most 18-20 inches high. It looks like a miniatureThis was not what I was expecting. I thought it could get 4-5 feet.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 25 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797
Give it more time. Mine first put on lateral growth before gaining height. It will have no trouble reaching the 4' to 5' that you want. Beautiful rose and plant habit...extremely tought plant that loves sun/heat when given proper water and soil.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 25 FEB 05 by Unregistered Guest
I am in Tampa, FL and mine is growing like a weed. No disease problems. I have it on a balcony and it grew out into the open towards the sun. Quite a spectacle for those viewing my balcony. It loves water and soil with dehydrated cow manure!
Reply #3 of 7 posted 6 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103220
It will get larger. Chinas can be slow sometimes, particularly if you're above the mason-dixon line. My experience is that they (Chinas) are like Teas in that they slowly build a large-ish, twiggy bush. I would fertilize it every week and work in some blood meal/bat guano into the soil.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 2 FEB 10 by lookin4you2xist
just my 2 cents it does not like to be pruned heavy or it will sulk for a couple years. But, it should be an Earthkind Rose IMO, also. Needs some size in my garden to set hips but I have gotten a couple from it. Really a bullet proof rose in Tampa Bay
Reply #5 of 7 posted 3 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
Just what we are looking for: to have everyone add their "2 cents" about plants they grow or are familiar with. Thanks.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 26 APR 10 by teka2rjleffel
I had a different experience. The wind nearlty pulled it out fo the ground so I knew it had to get cut back. I took it from 8' to 4'. It immediately started putting out tons of new buds. It may have something to do with age.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 27 APR 10 by lookin4you2xist
mine is over 15 years old great rose!
Discussion id : 39-982
most recent 25 OCT 09 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 OCT 09 by Carlene
I live in the Houston area, and in the summer when we have months of 100 degree weather and no rain, this rose continues to bloom. It is very drought tolerant. The blooms are pretty enough to cut for the vase, and the scent is wonderful. No disease or problems with pests. I don't know why this rose has not been voted an EarthKind rose by Texas A&M, because it should be.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 OCT 09 by HMF Admin
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Discussion id : 31-413
most recent 9 NOV 08 SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 NOV 08 by bob diller
I possibly encountered this rose in a cemetery here and Virginia and have ended up ordering both it and Louis Phillipe to see which it actually was and to make sure out of the two, I do at least get the one I smelled in the Cemetery. Pictures I took match both, but the rose I smelled had an incredible pungent fruity smell to it and books and web sites do not mention this associated with Cramoisi Superieur, or it even having a strong smell at all. Can anyone tell me if they grow this rose and if it has a strong fruity smell?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 9 NOV 08 by Harbor Rose Garden
Bob, I grow what I believe is Cramoisi and one of the reasons I love it is because of that amazing fragrance. I read that it is called' rasberry' - maybe, I just know I love it. Best wishes with yours; it's a wonderful rose.
Discussion id : 31-414
most recent 6 NOV 08 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 NOV 08 by Cà Berta
This rose was already described in the “Catalogue descriptif, methodique et raisonné” (1829) by Nicolas-Joseph Prévost (fils). It is the n. 796 at pag. 200.
Reply #1 of 8 posted 5 NOV 08 by jedmar
Thank you for this important reference. Prévost identifies Bengale éblouissant = La Gaufrée = L'Èblouissante. We seem to be on the track of possibly at least two different roses which are currently in commerce as 'Cramoisi superieur'.
Reply #2 of 8 posted 5 NOV 08 by Cà Berta
As far as I can understand, according to Prevost, this rose had different names in different nurseries: L'Eblouissante at Pepinieres de M. Vibert in 1823; Bengale a Petales Stries at Pepinieres de N.L. Noisette in 1826. Do I understand correctly?
See the Explication des Abreviations at pag xij
Reply #3 of 8 posted 5 NOV 08 by jedmar
That is correct. This can be an indication that L'Eblouissant is actually even older and was a "common" rose in Vibert's time. Very often such roses were marketed under different names by different nurseries. Prévost's catalogue is very valuable in indicating these synonyms.
Reply #4 of 8 posted 5 NOV 08 by Cà Berta
That Catalogue is really valuable: the more I go through it the more I have the impression that the history of many roses is not as it was told (Rosa serratipetala, Duchesse d'Angouleme ...)!
Reply #5 of 8 posted 5 NOV 08 by jedmar
Most of the early Chinas might have been bred by Villaresi of Monza and imported into France. See the Reference from "The Rose Garden" under 'Bengale commun'.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 5 NOV 08 by Cà Berta
I agree with you: apparently it is more likely that the "nowdays" china Rosa Serratipetala (that has nothing to do with the Rosa Serratipetala described in the Catalogue) stole the identity of Belle de Monza by Villoresi ... than the contrary (as someone suggested)!
Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 NOV 08 by jedmar
If you find early information in Italian on the work of Villaresi, we would be very interested!
Reply #8 of 8 posted 6 NOV 08 by Cà Berta
I am very interested myself and I will certainly share any information I get.
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