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'Danaë' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 83-004
most recent 8 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 FEB 15 by Michael Garhart
If you look at some of the photos of Roberta Bondar, Buff Beauty's hybrid from the same set of breeder (Pemberton/Bentall of that era), there are green-gold buds, like the buds of several of my Danae hybrids. This makes me wonder if they are even more closely related than stated, and gives me further feelings that Danae's reported parentage is incorrect. The reported parentage, while possible in breeding, seems very unlikely.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 6 JAN 16 by CybeRose
I agree. I wonder if the pollen parent might have been 'Madame Chédane-Guinoisseau', a yellow Tea.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 6 JAN 16 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Brilliant deduction!
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 7 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
Ya know... that seems so plausible, looking at the few photos available. The prickle type and the foliage type seem plausible...
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 7 JAN 16 by CybeRose
'Gloire de C-D' was released in 1907. That wouldn't have allowed much time for testing it, breeding and then testing the progeny. 'Mme C-D', on the other hand, was still being recommended as a decorative variety in 1907.

Still, I'd like to find Pemberton's own comment on the ancestry.

And this just in: 'Mme. Chédane-Guinoisseau' was a sport from 'Mme. Falcot'.

Journal des roses p. 106 (Juillet 1902)
Madame Falcot (Guillot fils, 1858), a produit Madame Chédane-Guinoisseau (Levet, 1880).
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 7 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
I had a little search yesterday. ‘Danae’ was a 1913 rose. The Rev died in 1926.
No parentages were shown in Modern Roses 1, 1930, but they were shown in Modern Roses II in 1940.
Where did these parentages come from?
Looking at Pemberton’s two 1913 roses, I find it interesting that two different pollen parents were put forward.
'Moonlight'. Trier x Sulphurea
'Danae'. Trier x .....somethingorother Guinoisseau
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 8 JAN 16 by CybeRose
Patricia,
I don't find it odd that he would introduce only the best from each cross. However, I would still like to know who came up with the alleged pollen parents.
Karl
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Discussion id : 90-175
most recent 6 JAN 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 JAN 16 by CybeRose
The Rose Annual (1915) p. 165
PEMBERTONS NEW SEEDLING ROSES, 1913.
Danae (Hybrid Tea). Perpetual flowering yellow cluster. Good in September. Not liable to mildew. Silver-Gilt Medal, N.R.S. Silver Medal, R.H.S. (Ireland). Award of Merit, R.H.S. Plants in autumn, 1/6 each.
For further particulars, apply to the Raiser, from whom they can be obtained.
The Rev. J. H. PEMBERTON,
Havering-atte-Bower, Romford, Essex.
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Discussion id : 76-879
most recent 23 FEB 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 FEB 14 by Michael Garhart
This is probably my favorite of the old-world Hybrid Musks. It is very charming, very easy to grow, blooms a lot, and smells nice. It also looks the part of a musk-type (unlike, for example, Ballerina, a hybrid multiflora classed as a hybrid musk).

The parentage, however, seems wrong, but everything states that this is correct. My seedlings from this rose also suggested that the male parent was not so likely.

ALL seedlings produced from Danae x various male parents resulted in very dainty growth, angular stems, and musk/china-like foliage. Some seedlings showed chlorophyll, however, which makes me wonder about Pernetiana background, rather than repeat blooming OGRs. The seedling shown here is Danae x Leonie Lamesch, and it is a 4' x 4' ball, that is completely void of LL's stiff canes. Again, suggesting why I question the given male parent of Danae.
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Discussion id : 47-524
most recent 18 AUG 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 AUG 10 by Carlene
Very pretty blooms, very healthy and extremely shade tolerant.....does well in dry shade.
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