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'Excellenz von Schubert' rose Reviews & Comments
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14 MAY 07 by
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So far I've given this rose two years. I live in Oregon, so it's not a particularlly hot sun, but the blooms seem to be very short lived and bleach as soon as they come out. The pictures of this rose are so beautiful though, that I just keep hoping that it will be so prolific, I won't care.
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#1 of 1 posted
20 MAY 10 by
roses257
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A lot of Hybrid Musk roses can take a surprising amount of shade and/or partial sun, and this may be one of them. I have mine planted in a place where it gets 1/2 day of sun in the morning, and it's very happy and doesn't fade. That's in Northern California.
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1 MAY 08 by
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There are two roses in commerce that go by the name Excellenz von Schubert: a non-fragrant Polyantha (P) and a fragrant Hybrid Musk (HM). The former is smaller and more shrub-like in growth habit. The later has longer, gracefully arching canes characteristic of the HM class.
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#1 of 4 posted
2 MAY 08 by
 jedmar
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I believe the non-fragrant Polyantha is the real 'Excellenz', as early references do not mention any fragrance. But what is the Musk?
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#2 of 4 posted
2 MAY 08 by
Cass
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It is possible that the non-fragrant polyantha is the true 'Excellenz von Schubert', but in the USA, I think that some nurseries have been selling the wonderful 'Gartendirecktor Otto Linne' under the name 'Excellenz von Schubert.'
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#3 of 4 posted
29 APR 10 by
Catsrose
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Vintage Gardens lists the fragrant, HM, more purple than pink version as EVS. Until someone can disprove it, I think we should accept their version as the standard.
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Does the non-fragrant polyantha set hips? I note that no descendants are listed for EvS. George Thomson is using EvS for breeding, and I'm wondering which version we have in Oz.
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Available from - Rosenschule - Stange
www.rosen-stange.de / Info@rosen-stange.de
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The description of the fragrance as 'none-to mild' is possibly untrue. There may be two different roses around, one masquerading as Excellenz with little fragrance. The Excellenz we have is extremely fragrant.
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#1 of 4 posted
14 APR 07 by
jedmar
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Or it is the other way round. Older literature does not mention fragrance. The rose which is commercialised in USA seems to be a found rose, identified as Excellenz von Schubert.
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Very interesting since these both look much like the same rose. I have met other people who have grown the non-fragrant one and were convinced that they were the same. I've never been able to compare them. Has someone done so?
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#3 of 4 posted
14 APR 07 by
jedmar
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We will try to find out more about how Excellenz was identified; might take some time though.
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Wow! That'd be wonderful. I just never get the time for such as this.
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