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Discussion id : 90-160
most recent 18 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 6 JAN 16 by Tomartyr
I think the description of this rose as having "up to 40 petals" is almost certainly incorrect. Botanica's Roses describes it as "very double" and The American Rose Society's Encyclopedia of Roses as "brimming with petals". There are other, similar, descriptions in publications listed in the references section for this rose. My rose, which I believe I have now positively identified as 'Felicite et Perpetue' has 80+ petals. This being the case, there are several images in the photo section for this rose which are likely to have been incorrectly identified - their petals are much less numerous.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 6 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
The references show various degrees of fullness: double 1880; well double 1914 1938; full 1838 1848 and 1873; very double 1847 1976, and fully double 1993. Bunyard's 1936 and Jedmar's 1890 illustrations are also quite full. I am inclined to agree with you that it should have more than 40 petals and have changed it to Very Full 41+ petals.
However there is a slight niggle in that AmiRoses illustration does not appear to be all that full.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 6 JAN 16 by Ophrys26
Henri-Antoine Jacques dedicated this rose to his daughters, Félicité and Perpétue (Felicity and Perpetua, so named in homage to the Christian martyrs who were martyred and put to death at Carthage during the 3rd century)
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 15 JAN 16 by hannes
"It has been suggested since 1900 that Jacques named this rose after his own twin daughters, but so far I have found noo proof of twins, nor of children with these names. Anyway most French historians would find it out of keeping for the Head Gardener at that period to name a rose after his own family, considering that all the other ramblers were given Royal names."
(Barbara Tchertoff, "Antoine Jaques – Head Gardener to Louis-Philippe" Part 1, page 30, in: ‘Historic Rose Journal’ No. 20, Autumn 2000)
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 16 JAN 16 by Patricia Routley
Thank you Hannes. A most interesting reference.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 18 JAN 16 by Tomartyr
Fallacies abound in the naming of roses. A British nursery markets Pemberton's 'Cornelia', 'Felicia' and 'Penelope' as 'The Vicar's daughters collection', claiming the varieties to be named after the breeder's three daughters. The Rev Pemberton lived his entire life in his ancestral family home, almost all of it with his spinster sister!
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Discussion id : 30-832
most recent 9 OCT 08 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 9 OCT 08 by Unregistered Guest
I an trying to identify a rose I've grown from a cutting given to me by a friend She insists it is "Seven Sisters". The buds are very pale pink, the flowers (borne in clusters) open white, fade to cream, then tan with age. It is a very vigorous rose, no disease problems at all even in our humidity. It is a climber, but this rose has continuously bloomed all spring and summer in my south Texas garden. I understand "Seven Sisters" is not a repeat bloomer. Although my rose looks exactly like the picture of Seven Sisters shown here, can it still be the same rose if it is blooming continuously? Thanks for help with this mystery!
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