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'Oklahoma' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 78-997
most recent 16 JUN 14 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 16 JUN 14 by Slave to the garden
Simply put, find the right spot In the garden and you will not believe this vigorous, tall, stunning gorgeous red rose. It takes your breath away when in full flush. Many of the blooms are single stemmed and have enormous, I mean enormous blooms. Often many with blackened petal tips that just set it aside from any other red. I had to move it three different times to get it to grow like this, it now faces southwest, with partial morning shade. I feel it needs hot afternoon sun. This is a rooting plant, after only being a stick last fall to now 4 feet tall with 7 blooms on it, after surviving three frost, and a tornadic hail storm. It's a winner , if you like red and very tall , Oklahoma should be your pick.
Discussion id : 69-183
most recent 3 MAY 13 SHOW ALL
Initial post 2 JAN 13 by davidmrqtt
It's an interesting specimen rose....great BIG buds, strong sweet scent, high centered form. Lots of personality. I found it to be fair in hardiness and disease resistance. Beauty being in the eye of the beholder, I think the smokey purplish-red color to be kind of somber. Would go well in a funeral home.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 12 JAN 13 by goncmg
Love the post because Oklahoma does have personality and yes, it sure is a somber/old school sort of red. Grew it for years in Northern California and just tonight ordered it from Regan and looking forward to being reunited. There is just nothing truly LIKE it----Crimson Glory is similar (or vice versa) in the bloom, but CG is looser and floppier and fades and far more purple. Ink Spots CAN be almost as dark and is a much clearer, truer red beneath it all but the bloom is so small and there is no fragrance and the plant and bloom just lack a lustiness that Oklahoma has. And the same to the siblings, Mr. Lincoln and Papa Meilland: on paper they both are superior. Lincoln is by FAR the most strong, and the color is similar to Oklahoma.....but again, no lustiness, no joy in the bloom. Meilland has the best shape but......Oklahoma can be raggedy in growth, it may bot win shows, yes it does have deep inside that darn white mark that goes all the way back to Gloire des Rosomaines...........but it is here 50 years later despite many odds, despite the fact that Olympiad and Kentucky Derby---both great roses and hallmark reds--- are no longer really available.............testimony that most people want a red rose to smell, many people remain intrigued at just how close to black this one can get, and that rose growers respond to PERSONALITY............
Reply #2 of 3 posted 23 APR 13 by timdufelmeier
When I started seriously growing roses in the 80s Los Angeles was all about Olympiad for the next 15 years. The florist perfect Crimson unscented roses were everywhere here, definitely the "it red". Then (as you mentioned) it became scarce in the last ten years. Now that roses seem to be out of fashion, many of the best rose nurseries in LA have closed and Olympiad is back in stock at many of the remaining nurseries this spring.
Oklahoma is unsupassed for its perfect big hybrid perpetual type HT ultra fragrant deluxe dark red bloom. I like the blueing that seems to bother everybody else. The vigor of the bush and remonancy usually seem to be lacking though. I have seen a few rare exceptions (unfortunately not mine.) I am now trying Climbing Oklahoma now from a rooted "Vintage Roses" cutting. I refuse to give up on this mythic rose.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 MAY 13 by Kebun
Personally, I found that blackish-dark red colouring to be striking despite the somberness. It certainly makes one hell of a 'statement' surrounded by the other red roses in the garden and gives the garden that touch of 'exotic' which not even Mr Lincoln can provide
Discussion id : 64-330
most recent 17 MAY 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 MAY 12 by monimoni
I have an unknown dark red hybrid tea with velvet petals, as it ages it coloring deepens to a plum, im thinking it could be oklahoma, this rose have a yellow stripe on a few of its petals. When fully opened, the center has yellow stamens. I will upload a pick of it, can anyone tell me if it is oklahoma are what rose you think it might be. It also has a strong fragrance.
Discussion id : 60-437
most recent 1 JAN 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 30 DEC 11 by Tomartyr
In contrast to the claim in the HMF description that 'Oklahoma' "does not do well in warmer climates", and indeed a similar claim by "Botanica's Roses" (see HMF References), The American Rose Society's Encyclopedia of Roses says: "Oklahoma does best in dry climates: the flowers ball in damp conditions but thrive in heat. ........ In hot climates it can reach 8.2ft (2.5m)."
Reply #1 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
I think their comments about not liking heat were mainly aimed at the proclivity of those blackish flowers to fry in brilliant, hot sun. The plant actually loves the heat, particularly arid heat where the foliage is absolutely spotless and the plant stretches like an old cat in the sun. It's an Ollie Weeks (part of the Swim/Weeks collaboration) red HT, which were his favorites, and selected when he grew roses in Chino, Ca, where it is hot. I would expect any Ollie Weeks rose to prefer heat.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Tomartyr
I like the sound of that rose. Unfortunately we don't have it in this part of the world. I like dark red, well scented roses. I have one solitary bud about to open on my first-year 'Pavarotti', which I have long admired in Dunedin Botanic Garden. They have a group planting, labelled 'Leslie's Dream', which I tried without success to procure for several years until HMF enlightened me that Leslie's Dream is a synonym for Pavarotti, which I was able to buy last winter.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
See if you can find Papa Meilland there in New Zealand. It was bred from the same cross as Oklahoma and Mr. Lincoln, though by Meilland in France instead of Swim-Weeks in the US. It's dark and very fragrant. You might also see if Crimson Glory is readily available there. I'm sure there are many you'll have, we'll never see and vice versa.
Reply #5 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Tomartyr
Thank you for the tip. Yes, 'Papa Meilland' is available here. I'm also thinking of planting the climber 'Guinee'.
Reply #6 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Rupert, Kim L.
At first, I was disappointed you couldn't get Oklahoma there, but I had a little while to play on nursery listings for New Zealand and only got as far as D&S before I was too jealous to continue! LOL! You have a wealth of very interesting roses just from that one source! Josephine Bruce is one of their listings and she's about as black and fragrant as you can get. These all look quite interesting.

D & S

American Home
Astrid Grafin Von Hardenberg
Barkarole - H.T.
Black Knight - H.T.
Deep Secret - H.T.
Erotica - H.T.
First Red - H.T. - New for 2012
Josephine Bruce - H.T.
Lasting Love - H.T.
Romeo - H.T.
Rosenthal - H.T.

Ironic you can still buy Dennison Morey's American Home and we can't. There's actually quite a lot of very interesting dark red, very fragrant HTs there to choose from.
Reply #8 of 10 posted 1 JAN 12 by Tomartyr
I agree we are not short of choices, but I shall probably steer clear of 'Josephine Bruce' because of its reported susceptibility to mildew. If you are interested in browsing the catalogue of the nursery offering (probably) this country's greatest selection of rose varieties, google Tasman Bay Roses. That is not to demean D & S in any way. I bought most of my bare-root roses from them last winter and am very satisfied.
Reply #10 of 10 posted 1 JAN 12 by Rupert, Kim L.
Don't let mildew stop you. There is a genetic link between the black garnet velvet petals, weak peduncle, Damask fragrance and mildew. Even Oklahoma will get it in the right conditions. Expect it from Papa Meilland and Guinee, too. Crimson Glory, Night, Will Rogers...all of the black velvet, Damask fragranced HTs I've grown were susceptible.
Reply #4 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Don H
Charles Mallerin and Charlotte Armstrong (p1 and p2 from Oklahoma) are still worth exploring as breeders. Although they've been worked over in back-crosses to the point of exhaustion they have never really been exploited with lesser used species and close species hybrids. I've been using Chrysler Imperial and Mr. Lincoln against moyesii and virginiana but I'm hoping to get some pollen from Charles Mallerin and Charlotte Armstrong this year.

I suppose that once Vintage is gone we will be without a source for either of those or for VID Oklahoma or VID Mr. Lincoln. It seems likely we are looking at the end of the classic HT's from Swim and Weeks.
Reply #7 of 10 posted 31 DEC 11 by Lyn G
You have just pointed out how HMF has raised rose research to a new level. Just think, if you were looking in a rose library, yours or public, you may have only had "Bontanica's Roses" available to tell you anything abut the rose 'Oklahoma' and would have been left with the information that "this rose does not do well in warmer climates." or you may have only had "The American Rose Society's Encyclopedia of Roses which says,"Oklahoma does best in dry climates: the flowers ball in damp conditions but thrive in heat. ........ In hot climates it can reach 8.2ft (2.5m)." and been left with different information. Further you would not have had insight from others in the rose community about their experience and knowledge of the rose.

Over time, I have been impressed by just the fact that so many references for a given rose being located in one place, HMF, gives us the opportunity to learn about the roses from many sources.

Yes, I work on the site and add REFERENCES, but this is WHY I work on HMF. I could never own or have access to the number of books, articles, catalogs and articles found all in one place...HMF. It gives me an opportunity to study roses in a way that has never been available to me in the past.

Reply #9 of 10 posted 1 JAN 12 by Tomartyr
I could not agree more, Lyn. Earlier in this very thread I related yet another good example: it was HMF that told me the largely forgotten 'Leslie's Dream' is in fact 'Pavarotti'. Even the rose curator at Dunedin Botanic Garden, where it is grown as 'Leslie's Deam', wasn't able to tell me that.
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