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'Rosa carolina L.' rose Reviews & Comments
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Arbustrum Americanum, pp. 135-136 (1785) Humphry Marshall
3. ROSA humilis. Dwarf Pennsylvanian Rose. This rises with several slender stems to the height of two or three feet; covered with a brownish green bark, and armed with a few sharp spines. The leaves are composed of three or four pair of lobes, and an odd one, of an oblong egg-shape and sharply sawed on their edges. The leaves of the flower cup have often linear, leafy elongations. The flowers are single and of a pale reddish colour.
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According to the USDA Plants database, Rosa carolina L. has two recognized subspecies: Rosa carolina L. var. carolina and Rosa carolina L. var. setigera Crép.
The latter subspecies is distinct from Rosa setigera and has a very small native range in the U.S. (Maine, New Hampshire & Vermont). The range may extend into eastern Canada; the USDA Plants maps do sometimes include plant ranges for Canada, but perhaps not consistently?
ITIS (Integrated Taxonomic Information System) gives as subspecies for Rosa carolina L.: Rosa carolina ssp. carolina L. and Rosa carolina ssp. subserrulata (Rydb.) W.H. Lewis. The latter subspecies is considered to be synonymous with Rosa carolina var. setigera Crép. Other synonyms are Rosa X rudiuscula Greene (pro sp.), Rosa palmeri Rydb., Rosa subserrulata Rydb. and Rosa texarkana Rydb. Source: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=24808 http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=837334
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A reference on HMF says that Carolina is diploid (http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=66.2242&tab=3&qn=0&qc=b). and its HMF page says it's tetraploid? Are there different varieties of Carolina out there with different ploidies? Which one is right?
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7 JAN 12 by
jedmar
Tetraploid is correct. We have added 2 references for this (2006 and 1981). The former article is difficult to understand for non-botanists like me, but it postulates that R. carolina has originated in relatively recent times from various diploid species.
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8 DEC 08 by
Cass
Photographs labeled Rosa humilis and Rosa carolina can be found on the website of Brooklyn Botanic Garden, Library, Historical Image Collection. Both were photographed in New York state.
The collection may be searched here: http://www.bbg.org/cgi/hic/hic_search.cgi
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We should add this to our "Useful Links" section.
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