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'Rose Edouard' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 94-233
most recent 2 AUG 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 2 AUG 16 by CybeRose
This statement indicates that the Rose Neumann was very double and always aborted, unlike the Bourbon seedling painted by Redoute.

Flore des Serres et des Jardins de l'Europe (1852) Page(s) 77-78.
Ce rosier donnant une grande quantité de graines, on en fit des semis considérables qui d'abord ne furent pas heureux. Les plantes provenues étaient à fleurs simples, d'autres à fleurs très pleines, qui avortaient toujours comme l'ile Bourbon Neumann, par exemple, que l'on se contentait de cueillir en boutons; on était peu difficile alors: enfin l'avenir de ce rosier apparaissait sous de bien tristes couleurs, et l'on allait y renoncer, lorsque, en 1831, M, Desprez, amateur à Yèbles, près Cuignes (Seine-et-Marne), et semeur infatigable, mit au jour deux belles plantes, sorties du premier type. C'étaient deux variétés qui, par leurs bonnes qualités, se sont maintenues sur les catalogues. Je veux parler des île Bourbon Charles Desprez et Madame Desprez qui eurent, surtout le second, une vogue immense et bien méritée. Dèslors, l'avenir de cette tribu fut décidé.
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Discussion id : 94-115
most recent 27 JUL 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
There are rootstocks used in India and mentioned (in conjunction with 'Rose Edouard') in the references.
In the 1925 ref, page 42 a Persian rose is mentioned, almost single, bright crimson, perfumed and thorny.

In the 1926 ref, p70 R. gigantea (as they call it - see also the 1885 reference), a climber with tiny semi-double pink flowers in clusters and foliage similar to a wichuraiana.

The 1926-70 rose may be a multiflora, but the Persian rose is puzzling me. The best I can come up with is a less petaled version of 'Gruss an Teplitz'?
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Discussion id : 56-550
most recent 20 FEB 13 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 8 AUG 11 by Cà Berta
In the Catalogue descriptif methodique ….pp. 204-206, Prevost reports, besides ROSE EDWARD, a few ROSA BORBONIANA, Desportes. – R. CANINA BORBONIANA, Thory. – ROSIER DE BOUBON, namely:
n. 806 ROSE EDWARD son nom à l'Ile de France, suivant plusieurs cultivateurs.
n. 807 ROSE DE BOURBON, A FLEUR MULTIPLE – R. DE BOURBON PERPETUELLE, L.
n. 808 ROSE DE BOURBON CARNEE, L.
n. 809 ROSE DE BOURBON A FLEUR PLEINE. - BENGALE NEUMAN, nom de son introducteur. - ROSE DE L'ILE DE FRANCE, Dubreuil. - BENGALE DUBREUIL, V., Cat. 1826.

Besides, in the Supplement Catalogue descriptif ...pp. 22- 24 Prevost reports a few others ROSA BORBONIANA. – ROSIER DU BOURBON:
n. 935 ROSE DE BOURBON A PETALES CRENELES
n. 936 ROSIER DE BOURBON HETEROPHYLLE, L.
and a couple of Hybrides:
n. 937 ATHALIN, L.
n. 938 LAS CASAS, V.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 10 AUG 11 by jedmar
Yes, the synonyms shown are not quite correct, as there were probably a few Bourbon roses introduced within a short period by different people, and some grown from seed. The relevant literature is quite confusing and inconsistent. A comparative planting of Bourbons is under way in Germany and may give some answers in a couple of years.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 AUG 11 by Cà Berta
From the large amount of the scattered references that were collected I realize that a great effort is made to rationalize this issue. My comment intended to contribute by pointing to the existence of a reference “in business” and “close to the time” that already tried to rationalize the knowledge available a few years after the introduction of these roses. It might still be useful although Prevost fils were not infallible!
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 20 FEB 13 by Sherri Berglund
I am curious; is the Bourbon Rose planting in Germany in a public garden? I plan on visiting Germany in June and have an interest in the early Bourbon roses, if the site would be feasible to visit.
Sherri
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 20 FEB 13 by jedmar
No, it is private. I will send you a post.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 FEB 13 by Sherri Berglund
Thank you! I appreciate your help!
Sherri
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Discussion id : 70-083
most recent 18 FEB 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 FEB 13 by Vladimír Ježovič
This rose reminds me one of my seedling of Rosa x damascena semperflorens (Autumn Damask).
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