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'Safrano' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 102-187
most recent 7 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 JUL 17 by CybeRose
Prince's descriptive catalogue of roses (1846) p. 8
255. Saffrano, Bright yellow, cluster flowered, 1.00
Discussion id : 100-660
most recent 30 JUN 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 JUN 17 by raingreen
Anyone out there from hot, dry climates, say, where temperatures can get above 100 F/40 C--is 'Safrano' resistant to sunburn on the canes and foliage?

In my area, east of Los Angeles, tea roses can develop heat necrosis in full sun. Looks bad, and you can tell the plants are suffering.


Reply #1 of 8 posted 27 JUN 17 by thebig-bear
Hi Nate,

I'm NOT in a very warm climate (only the temperate climes of the UK!) but I can tell you that my Safrano does not like being kept indoors in our porch (where it lives in the colder months) from late spring onwards, and has to be outside for the summer months in order to cool down! It doesn't flower much in the summer months either, but comes good again later in the year. A great rose, though.

Hope this at least in part answers your question.

Best wishes,

Reply #2 of 8 posted 27 JUN 17 by raingreen
Thanks Steve!! Good to have these kind of observations. Hard to say whether the indoor performance would correlate with 'browning out' in 100 F/40 C summer heat.
Reply #3 of 8 posted 27 JUN 17 by thebig-bear
Hi Nate,

Glad to help in what way I can!

Indoors, it doesn't so much "brown out" - the leaves turn a bit yellowy and more dry for want of a better way of putting it, flowering slows dramatically, and you can just tell that it isn't as happy somehow. I have had mine two years so far, but I have learnt this much already, and I know when it needs to go outside! But our porch gets pretty hot from the start May onwards really, and is south-west facing, so gets sun for most of the day. I moved it this year to a south facing wall, and it has done ok, but I am thinking of finding a better solution. Despite this, I love it, and if it needs a bit more attention than most, then so be it!

In a warmer climate like yours, you may well not need to place it in a warm spot like I do (because here, obviously, it can get too cold for it, even on a summers night sometimes, so I have to be careful) and you might well get away with placing it somewhere more shady - from what I have read, a lot of Teas actually do better in shade than alot of people realise. That way, although your air temperature might well be higher overall, you might manage to keep it cooler.

Do you have one already, or are you thinking of getting one?
Reply #4 of 8 posted 27 JUN 17 by raingreen
Planning for practice as a landscape designer. I want to specialize in drought resistant roses. IMO roses should be grown in full sun, if they get sunscald in full sun, it means they aren't adapted to the climate. ....but that means some of the teas aren't adapted where I am!!!

Reply #5 of 8 posted 28 JUN 17 by billy teabag
Have had a long think about your question Nate and there isn't a short answer.
'Safrano' is one of the great survivors, which tells us it's a tough rose but it does need extra care for its first few summers while it gets a good root system established and puts on enough growth above the ground.
To withstand severe heat, a rose needs to have a good canopy of foliage to shade its own stems and branches and so, apart from the health and vigour of the plant, pruning and trimming styles will affect its foliage and heat tolerance. The 'trim off small amounts when removing spent blooms' method encourages fresh new growth. Little and often so much better than large unkind cuts.
Stem burn often goes hand in hand with the defoliatiion that follows an outbreak of black spot and 'Safrano', like many Teas, is not susceptible to black spot. Mildew will distort the foliage but the plants generally recover well and are able to weather mildew better and better as they mature.

I have noticed that with all Teas and many other roses as well, there is a turning point where they begin to be able to really look after themselves and that is when they have enough foliage to shade and cool the earth beneath them.
For us, 'Safrano' and its sport 'Isabella Sprunt' are wondrous winter roses. They keep blooming through the coldest months here and those blooms are absolutely lustrous and gorgeous with thicker petals and fuller blooms. The summer blooms are abundant,but insubstantial, fleeting and not particularly lovely. When it gets very dry, they are susceptible to mildew. But then the weather cools and how glad we are to have them.
I grow 'Safrano' and 'Isabella Sprunt' for the beauty they bring to us in winter and avert my eyes in the summer.
Reply #6 of 8 posted 29 JUN 17 by raingreen
Beautiful answer Billy!! Your wonderful, dreamlike winter photo of Safrano (Photo Id: 126525) is always in my mind.

But regardless of the canopy of foliage, some of the teas do 'brown out' in summer. This appears to be the same thing as the 'heat necrosis' that David Byrne is studying at Texas A & M. Often the parts of foliage that directly face the sun's rays are most affected. I've seen this personally on the Teas at Descanso, along with modern roses in the same and other gardens. David Austin roses appear to be less affected.

Granted, this was last summer, after a hideous heat wave with a high of 116 F/47 C.

Reply #7 of 8 posted 29 JUN 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Interesting about David Austin roses .. they are KBW's favorite in his hot Pakistan at 113 F. And David Austin roses are my favorite for zone 5a winter (green stems despite -20 F). David Austin roses have deep-root, thus can survive extreme cold & heat & drought. But the shallow-cup Austin roses (Scepter'd Isle, Christopher Marlowe, Mary Magdalene) need less water to bloom than the deep-cup Austin (CPM, Charles Darwin, Alnwick). Same with hybrid tea, the deepest cup & most petal Big Purple is the biggest water and fertilizer-hog in my garden. Robert Rippetoe in hot CA breeds excellent deep-root roses that survived my zone 5a winter, bloom like mad during hot & dry 90 F. Miracle on the Hudson and Bohemian Rhapsody are his stellar gems .. constant blooming that beat Austin roses and Knock-outs. His Yves Piaget's offsprings survived many zone 5a winter & drought-tolerant. Roses that can take hot & dry also can survive cold winter well. French Meilland & Romanticas die to the crown through -20 F zone 5a winter.
Reply #8 of 8 posted 30 JUN 17 by raingreen
Thanks for the tip Straw!!!

I was wondering about the Romanticas. It does seem like they are less hardy than DAs.

Discussion id : 98-242
most recent 29 MAR 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 29 MAR 17 by Give me caffeine
Updated information:

Woo-hoo! A decent shrub! Even over summer, and even when you do nothing to help it.

I like this: :D

Flowers aren't much chop in the hot weather, but at least the bush will look good while I'm waiting for cooler weather. Cooler weather is not far off now, and I'm looking forward to it.
Discussion id : 93-395
most recent 14 JUN 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 JUN 16 by Give me caffeine
Have just planted a small Safrano, from Thomas for Roses. The interesting thing about it is that at this stage there are absolutely no thorns on it. I don't know if it will stay that way. Will update this post with more information once the plant has had a chance to get into its stride.
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