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'Trier' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 89-482
most recent 27 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 NOV 15 by Michael Garhart
I cannot find "Mrs. Sharman Crawford", the rose that was intended to be Trier's male parent. Am I searching wrong?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 27 NOV 15 by Patricia Routley
When you can't find anything, search with "contains" and a keyword. Try it with "contains" Sharman and you will find why you can't get to it.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 27 NOV 15 by Michael Garhart
Thanks. Found it. Oh boy, that rose is more unfortunate than I anticipated. I am glad it failed so we have 'Trier' instead! Its such a good, easy rose. Mine is growing in a border of phlox and hydrangeas.
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Discussion id : 72-261
most recent 27 NOV 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
When the description says almost thornless.... just how thornless is 'Trier' meant to be? Mine, from Misty Downs (Australia) is very thorny. Is 'Moonlight' thorny?
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 9 JUN 13 by Bernhard
Hi Simon,
of course, just uploaded this pic:
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.226943

cheers
Bernhard
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 9 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
Danke Bernhard... the other photos of 'Trier' that show the stems also show plenty of thorns... the flowers on my 'Trier' seem to be smaller than the most recent photos show too.
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Patricia Routley
I too have uploaded photos of 'Trier', (and 'Moonlight' - and "Not Moonlight").
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I don't have any flower shots of my 'Trier' at the moment but my plant seems quite different to all your photos. The leaves look more narrow and multiflora-like and the flowers smaller.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Patricia Routley
Mistydowns is no longer listing 'Trier' (that I could see), although it was in their 2005 catalogue as a Rambler. They may have realised they might have been selling something else as 'Trier' and taken it off the market.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Margaret Furness
My Trier came from the then Thomson nursery in 2005, and I think their heritage roses came from Mistydowns. Prickles on mine are mainly on old stems, with a few on younger stems. The younger stems are burgundy at present.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I bought mine from Misty Downs back in 2009-2010... can't remember which. I've taken some photos and uploaded them today.
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Patricia Routley
My 'Trier' has a couple of tiny clusters at the moment. Very young buds. The pedicels have distinct white hairs under a hand lens. I would like to note them on a mature bloom and I suspect they may be villose.

'Moonlight' seems to have smooth pedicels.

and "Not Moonlight" pedicel has tiny dark pedicellate glands.
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Simon Voorwinde
Like this: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.227030

I noticed this downy look this afternoon.
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 10 JUN 13 by Patricia Routley
Not sure. I'll watch my buds for a few weeks until they are bigger and try to post a comparative photo.
In the meantime if anyone overseas has 'Trier' and a zoom lens.....a side on shot of the bud and pedicel would help a great deal.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 27 NOV 15 by Michael Garhart
My 'Trier' has a hook every 4 inches of so. Easy to prune.
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Discussion id : 83-808
most recent 21 MAR 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 MAR 15 by Philip_ATX
I note that under "hybrid musks" this rose does not show up, yet descendants such as "Plaisanterie" do.

Should this entry have the category of "hybrid 'musk'" added next to "hybrid multiflora"?

Thanks.
-Philip
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 20 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
As far as I know, there is no Musk in this roses parentage. Lots of so-called Moschata(-hybrids/roses) don't have too. Just a few of Lens' roses have real Musk in their parentage.
And also very few other descendants of the Musk Rose group.
Except for a lot of Roses bred by Kim Rupert and Robert Neil Rippetoe. They can/might inform You better!
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 20 MAR 15 by Philip_ATX
I don't believe any of the historical "Hybrid 'Musks'" have R. moschata in their lineage, which I presume to be the reason HMF distinguishes b/w hybrid moschata and hybrid musk in their advanced search. Plaisanterie, for instance, is a cross between Trier and Mutabilis, but is listed herein as a hybrid musk -- a class to which Trier, as a "lambertiana", I think, has also been considered to belong.

If Trier isn't a "hybrid musk" in a newer revised sense, then its offspring certainly wouldn't be.

In fact, I just confirmed: the parentage of Plaisanterie is herein listed as:
Trier (Hybrid Musk, Lambert, 1904) × Mutabilis (china, Unknown, before 1894)
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 20 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
Most of the so-called musk-hybrids might have more or less a scent (described) as musk... most of them are offspring of Multiflora and its Hybrids.
PS: 'Musquée sans Soucis' is a repeat/continuous flowering descendant of a REAL Musk Rose.
...Looking, when flowering, a bit like a Hydrangea paniculata (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrangea_paniculata)
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 21 MAR 15 by Philip_ATX
My point is that Trier *is* a "Hybrid 'Musk'", yet it is not listed as such. If you do an advanced search for "hybrid musks" you will *not* find Trier listed, while its offspring are. ...Meanwhile, the offspring are listed as being descended from "Trier (Hybrid Musk, Lambert 1904)" which is the only reason *they* fall into the HM category.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 21 MAR 15 by Patricia Routley
I have changed the name to match the registered class of Hybrid Multiflora.
It seems that 'Trier' could be called a Hybrid Musk, Lambertiana, or Rambler, so have added those classes as well.
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Discussion id : 62-967
most recent 25 MAR 12 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 MAR 12 by CybeRose
JOURNAL OF THE ROYAL HORTICULTURAL SOCIETY 36: 529-533 (1911)
RAMBLING ROSES
By G. L. PAUL
'Trier,' says Mr. LAMBERT, is a seedling from 'Rêve d'Or.' 'Rêve d'Or' is probably the most rambling of all the Noisettes, but it is in essence a true Musk, showing that it has harked back to the common ancestor.
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