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Initial post 2 days ago by Arboretum Borova hora - Rosarium
Just am writing an article about the 15 best slovak roses, and one from is ´Tolstoj´. It seems growing good near the sea, too. Nice pics!
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Initial post 3 days ago by Michael Garhart
Its scent can be zilch on some days, and very powerful fruit on other days. I don't know which weather brings it out best, but I would say it seems strongest between mid-June and mid-July.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 days ago by Andrew from Dolton
I have some in a vase that I picked this morning right in front of me, along with Buddleia 'Sun Gold' white phlox and 'Reine des Violettes'. It was damp and cool outside early this morning and I couldn't smell anything but in the house they do have a an old rose damask fragrance. I adore stripy roses.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 days ago by Michael Garhart
Nice! It's a good one. Let it mature and get fat. It's an easy keeper here.
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Initial post 4 days ago by Patricia Routley
HubertG' - is "developed hip" the caption for item 25? It seems to me to be a receptacle. I don't think I have ever seen a tea rose mature hip this shape.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
Yes, it was a developed hip. The article was quite long and I did want to translate it but didn't have time right now. The writer was commenting on the roses he used for his breeding programme which included Papa Gontier. He mentioned the hips were still green when they were collected and contained 'colossal' seeds. The seed size reminded me of Lady Hillingdon's occasional huge seeds.
I will add the relevant bits from the article sometime soon.
The hip shape is unusual for a tea, but I suppose Papa Gontier's mother was Duchess of Edinburgh which early references suggest was a hybrid of some type, not a pure tea, so perhaps came from this line.

Something doesn't quite add up with the rose we grow as 'Papa Gontier' today (which rarely sets hips) and 'Papa Gontier' being used as a seed parent so much back then.

I wish someone would post hips of 'Rainbow', Papa Gontier's sport (if they occur). The receptacles in the Rainbow photos here do look more ovoid to varying degrees, more in keeping with those botanical illustrations.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 3 days ago by HubertG
Translation of that passage:

"... I fertilised on 6th June and the hips (Fig 25) were still entirely green on 12th November, they contained very good viable seeds of colossal size ... "

This was in Germany, 1901. Here's the illustrated page uncropped. The pistils also appear quite pinky-red. Compare to the red rose in the top left corner which is General Jacqueminot. Incidentally the yellow flower is Gustave Regis (Figs. 39, 40 and 41) which the writer and editor deemed sterile.
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Initial post 5 days ago by HonzaPM
Not ´Garden of Roses´ for sure.
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