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Initial post today by Huyustus
Hello on the LENS ROSES website, it says it's a musk hybrid (rosa moschata).
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Reply #1 of 2 posted today by jedmar
Yes, that is how it is classed
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Reply #2 of 2 posted today by HMF Admin
I made the changes earlier today, sorry for not noting them and acknowledging the poster's contribution.
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Initial post today by HubertG
Alister Clark exhibited a rose named 'Lady Rhodes' at the National Rose Society of Victoria's spring show in 1926 seven years before it was introduced into commerce in 1933. Lady Rhodes herself died in 1929. The rose exhibited in 1926 was described in The Australasian simply as "pink". The rose introduced in 1933 suggests a red to reddish pink. Although they are probably the same rose, the odd posthumous introduction makes me wonder if perhaps another rose other than the 1926 one was introduced as 'Lady Rhodes' in 1933.

Edited to add that a little further researching in the New Zealand newspapers database reveals that Clark introduced 'Lady Rhodes' in New Zealand before he did in Australia. His sister, Lady Rhodes, died in October 1929 and Alister Clark was in New Zealand in the first part of 1929 bringing with him material of the rose he named after her.

From the 'Thames Star' (NZ newspaper) of 14th March 1929, page 4:
"Over 50 buds of the seedling rose “Lady Rhodes,” raised by Mr. Alister Clark at Glenara Bulla . Victoria, and presented by him to the Canterbury Horticultural Society, have been brought to New Zealand by the donor. The rose is red in colour,' fairly full, lasts well on the plant, and in water, stands the sun well, and is deliciously sweet scented. The buds have been worked on specially prepared stocks by Mr. J. Poulsen, who anticipates having sufficient plants to meet all demands during the planting season of 1931. Blooms of “Lady Rhodes” will be exhibited at some of the society’s meetings next summer."

The fact that he provided so much grafting material to Poulsen in New Zealand suggests to me that it could have been a reason why the rose was delayed being introduced in Australia.
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Initial post yesterday by PierreLaPierre
Hello there. Just thought I would add a comment and upload photos of our Park’s Yellow in commerce as that is into its second season in France lower Cévennes zone 8b ish. It was purchased and planted in November 2022 from Loubert as a bare-root assumed grafted onto Laxa. It is currently the most floriferous Rose variety in our gardens and has produced three new shoots around a metre long and the foliage shows not the slightest sign of disease especially black spot which almost all the varieties have to some degree at this time.

There are eight buds and seven open flowers, only the two principal canes appear to have prickles. The flowers are as described here and the scent is definitely strongly citrus- citrus tea. The flower also ressembles Fée Opale; Margaret Furness mentioned this variety to me in previous correspondence when I incorrectly stated that our Parks’ appeared sans prickles. It is non remontant.

PS I read that Parks discovered the original in China along with Banksiae Lutea in 1823/24 so if that is the case is there not a possibility that it could be found again - rediscovered in and around that same area, if the approximate location is known? Just a thought. Excusing myself in advance and putting protective hat on if that has already been explored previously with no positive outcome.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted yesterday by jedmar
Parks supposedly bought this tea rose at the Fa Tee nursery in Canton, so it was not collected in the wild. Fa Tee is known to have brought together plants for sale to the crazy Westerners. The Chinese origin of the rose is thus unknown. Several contenders have been forwarded to be the original Park's Yellow, but I suppose it neeeds DNA analysis of known descendants to be able to make a better guess.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted yesterday by PierreLaPierre
Jedmar thank you for that information. I was just thinking out loud that if the original has been lost in Europe for quite some time then surely somewhere in SE China this variety could be growing not only in the ‘wild’ but private and public gardens? Am I being too simplistic? Today, are there many passionate growers of roses in that area like there are in Europe The US and Australia?
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Reply #3 of 5 posted today by Margaret Furness
Your photos look like a good match for others on the hmf page.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted today by jedmar
Yes, I have Loubert's Parks (bought as Rosa odorata ochtoleuca) - it is identical to the others disseminated by Beales.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted today by PierreLaPierre
Yes Margaret. Realised that this year it’s the bicentenary of the ‘discovery’ / introduction of the original?
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Initial post 21 AUG by ParisRoseLady
Available from - Bloomin' Easy Plants
https://bloomineasyplants.com/
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 21 AUG by jedmar
Bloomin' Easy Plants seems to be mainly a wholesale marketing line for selling via retailers and garden centres. Possibly it is a brand of Van Belle Nursery, Abbotsford, British Columbia.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 21 AUG by ParisRoseLady
Yes, they do wholesale to garden centers, there was an extensive Bloomin' Easy line this season (summer 2023) at my local Walmart garden center in Albuquerque NM. They also are an online retail nursery, I ordered a rose from them this season (Gumball Goody) and it was shipped quickly and had a great root system. That said, they are currently offering only 3 roses (Gumball Goody, Peach Lemonade, and Cinnamon Hearts) on the website. I purchased a Peach Lemonade 1 gallon size locally.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 10 NOV by Michael Garhart
I ordered all 3. It is a real gamble with these types. 'Campfire' was wonderful. I got it the first year it was out. 'Never Alone', on the other hand, was a disaster. Very down prone, some bs, and the blooms don't drop/green up really badly. 'Never Alone' did have an ideal plant shape, but that is where its merits end imo. 'Campfire' is slightly bigger than one could ask for, but its an amazing do-er. But, yeah, its a real gamble not being able to see these not-so-cheap roses in person first.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 19 NOV by ParisRoseLady
Michael, do you mean you ordered Peach Lemonade, Gumball Goody and Cinnamon Hearts from Bloomin' Easy? If so, I can vouch for PL and GG, they have settled in quickly as container roses and bloomed a lot in their first season with excellent overall health and disease free foliage. (That said, this is an arid climate here in New Mexico, so BS isn't a problem). I'm expecting them to excel next season, and will post new pics/comments. Regarding Campfire, that one is on my radar, but I haven't seen it locally and it's not widely available online.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 27 NOV by Michael Garhart
Sorry, missed your post. Yes, I bought those 3. They have not arrived yet and its dormant season. We will see what happens in 2024, it seems.

I love Campfire. Little to no prickles and really wants to bloom. Dimensions similar to Bonica. May get slight powdery until its roots get anchored in, probably because it stresses itself from wanting to bloom non-stop. Once mature, I don't even water it in August lol, and it remains just fine.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 6 DEC by ParisRoseLady
Michael, I just received the Jung Seed print catalog (LOL, one of the remaining nurseries that does a large full color catalog) and Campfire is available for 2024 as own root. So, I'm going to add it this season. It's the only vendor I could find that carries it. So we'll see how it does in a high desert climate. New Mexico is a long way from Canada where this rose was bred!!
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 6 DEC by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Campfire is good here in the low desert of CA, so it should love NM.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted today by Michael Garhart
Funny thing is, in studies, hardiness is hard to track genetically. They found there are 3 primary clusters of polygenetics for hardiness. Too many genes involved to track as singularly responsible. Those clusters are heat hardiness, adaptive/general hardiness, and cold hardiness. Often, in the most hardiness 2 to 3 of those clusters would heavily overlap. Not always though, but enough so that patterns emerged. Some rugosa hybrids are a good example of those that have both general and cold hardiness, but languish and sometimes burn in high desert. However, many roses that are cold hardy are also heat hardy.

In other words, we cannot see this traits (heat and cold hardy) as exclusive. Sometimes its a more complex story.
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