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20 MAY 08 by
Anna
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Hello all,
Hopefully someone could help me out. I just planted my bare root roses this weekend and a couple of the plants had already sprouted stems/leaves. Should I prune those off?
They have wilted a bit and look a little sad. Wasn't sure if I should leave them alone or if I should just remove them.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Anna
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#1 of 2 posted
22 MAY 08 by
 Cass
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Hi, Anna. Many growers rub off all weak growth on bareroots, especially uncolored canes and leaves. Others, like me, leave it on and still have to prune it off later. I think the advice is remove it now, remove it later: it's going to have to go.
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#2 of 2 posted
22 MAY 08 by
AnnaBoop
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Good to know. I think I'll do it now.
Thanks!
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13 MAY 08 by
Tara
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Is it ok to plant rose bushes close to one another or do they have to be at least 3-4 feet apart? I just planted 2 rose bushes within about 6 inches to 1 foot apart and my neighbor says that is a no no because the roots will attach each other? Please help.
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The Ezine section includes a good article titled "Roses 101" which should prove very helpful.
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#2 of 3 posted
13 MAY 08 by
Darrell
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Yes, roses can and do attach to each other by roots, especially if too close. And if one rose has a disease, it can spread it to the next even if the second rose is "disease resistant." How far apart you plant them depends on the kind of rose and how large it tends to grow. I never plant any rose nearer than three feet to the next one.
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Thanks for your participation Darrell.
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3 MAY 08 by
cree
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I have just brought home 4 Archduke Joseph's/Mons Tiller, own root. I want to plant them to make a hedge, as dense and tall as possible. I am in zone 9a and teas grow very well here. How far apart should I plant them?
Thanks Deb
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3 MAY 08 by
Cass
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Archduke Joseph/Monsieur Tillier USA takes some years to get bushy. It does, in time, as it develops into a very, very large rose (8-10 feet wide). But at the beginning, and especially if you prune it, it is likely to be stiffly upright and to have bare legs. Bushiness comes with age and may not be completely...graceful. The stiff, very well armed canes, left largely unpruned, will build top growth to the point of gradually bending off the vertical. As they do, the bush will develop more of the upside-down bowel shape you want, carrying foliage to the ground.
You location will affect how close together you plant Archduke Joseph/Monsieur Tillier USA. Six foot centers are the bare minimum. Where in Zone 9a are you located. My plants, in the ground 8 years in a very difficult location, are just now getting bushy.
There are bushier Teas that will be denser and "hedgier" faster, if not immediately. White Maman Cochet and Le Vesuve are key examples.
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3 MAY 08 by
cree
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Thanks Cass.
MT is not going to give me the density I am after, so will place them elsewhere.
I am in Australia, hot summers, light frosts in winter, not humid. Teas will reach their larger proportions.
WMC is lovely. One full plant photo on HMF shows it being very dense and tall, just what I was looking for and I think it would be perfect,.
Distance you would suggest between plants? I am thinking 7- 8 feet?
Deb
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3 MAY 08 by
Cass
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Hi, Deb, 8 feet sounds about right. I hope HMF's regulars from Oz will pipe up and give you more information for your exact location. You have a somewhat different palette of Teas than we do.
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Hi Deb, Hi Cass
Cass - I think the information and advice you've given is spot-on for warm, temperate parts of Australia.
The ultimate size and the time it takes a rose like Monsieur Tillier/Archiduc Joseph to reach it are going to vary according to care and conditions, but this rose certainly has the potential to become very large over time and unless you are planning to try to keep it smaller than it wants to be by frequent surgery, the plants would need to be spaced 2-3 metres apart.
The general rule of thumb here is to allow 2 metres (6 feet) between Teas if you possibly can, but with a rose like MT/AJ, I'd be inclined to err on the side of caution and make it closer to 3 metres.
You'd have to be prepared to wait a few years for it to make you glad you gave it that much space, but if you have that sort of patience, the result would be well worth the wait because Mons Tillier/ A. Joseph is an outstanding Tea - very healthy, very recurrent and it would make a spectacular border if you have enough room to give this rose its head.
Any hedge of roses will need a few years to begin to look good, and Teas do tend to have a long adolescence - but they are long-lived plants that improve with age, and make a brilliant long-term investment.
Deb - It's also worth checking to see if you have correctly named plants as this rose has become a little muddled in commerce and quite a few people have received General Schablikine under the name Mons. Tillier or Archiduc Joseph.
If you have any doubts, and there are buds or blooms on your plants, check the pedicels - if they feel rough and sandpapery, they are probably General Schablikine (also a great Tea).
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#5 of 5 posted
4 MAY 08 by
cree
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Hi Billy,
Thanks for all of this information, it is very helpful.
The MT's do not have any blooms, I have a Gen.S and I see what you are talking about and will check this on the MT's prior to planting them out.
This planting area has no restriction on size. The bigger the better, at least 8 ft tall when mature would be perfect. Decisions decisions!! I like both roses and I ordered a couple of WMC today. Will dwell on it for the time being. No matter where they end up being planted, I am sure they will both be beautiful. Thanks to both of you, Deb
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Boy, this will sound super ignorant! I am looking at planting a lot of roses - cllimbers along the fences and bush roses around the perimeter of the yard where they will get full sun. The two already in have done marvelously with (this is embarrassing) occasional watering and trimming only. I like hardy types of roses...
My dumb question of the day is: How far apart should climbing roses be planted - and is it different for bush roses?
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You'll find several articles in the Ezine section to help you. Start with the "Roses 101" article.
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