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I don’t get that much out of it, but my friend, who has a big rose collection, and where I took this photo, says it is her “best” if not strongest smelling rose. I tried to dig down as to what she meant by that, but noses are just so different.
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That's exactly why I ask. 'Allegorie' from the same breeder smelled good. 'Esprit de Paris' has yet to bloom for me to comment on. So far, I like the plants better than Austins.
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11 days ago by
 HubertG
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Very Interesting. The names I can read with certainly are A. Rivoire, Gigantea, Fragrant Pillar, John Cronin, Mrs F Guthrie, City of L. Rock, McGredy's Sunset, Pink Dawn, S de G Prat and G. Nabonnand. I might be able to make out some more with time.
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#1 of 4 posted
11 days ago by
Nastarana
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Would 'Pink Dawn' be the Howard & Smith introduction from 1949 or another rose of Clark's breeding?
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#2 of 4 posted
11 days ago by
HubertG
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The Howard & Smith 'Pink Dawn' has an introduction date of 1935. The photo is from the 1940 Australian Rose Annual so it looks like Clark was experimenting with a fairly new introduction.
Some of those entries look tantalisingly solvable but still have me stumped.
What I thought was McGredy's Sunset might be McGredy's Scarlet - it's hard to tell.
I think there's a Chatenay as well.
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I had a go too and came up with
6531
6532 Antoine Rivoire (1895)
6533. 2229 x ?Duchesse d'Auerstadt [Billy’s suggestion]
6534 39_5 x ?Duchesse d'Auerstadt
6535 Elegante (1882 or 1918)
6536 Fragrant Pillar (1931) x d___
6537 John Cronin (1935)
6531b John Cronin
6532b Antoine Rivoire (1895) x
6533b Mrs Frank Guthrie (1923).
6534b Mrs Frank Guthrie (1923) x
6535b vs from veg gdn
6536b good red veg gdn [HubertG’s comment below]
6537b Walter ....... ?Bentley?
6545 City of Little Rock (1924)
6551 McGredy's Scarlet (1928)
6552 Mme Abel Chatenay (1894)
6553 Mrs Edouard Powell (1910)
6554 Bohm's Triumph (1934)
6555
6561 striped sport…. [HubertG’s comment below]
6562 3675 sported…..[HubertG’s comment below]
6565 Crusader? (1919) [HubertG’s comment below]
6569 Souvenir de Gustave Prat (1910)
6573 G. Nabonnand (1888)
6574 Stella. (1905)
But this was only one page, probably between 1935 (John Cronin) and 1940. Just look at all the pages under the left hand.
The numbering is of mild interest. Look at how he went back to insert some b’s.
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#4 of 4 posted
10 days ago by
HubertG
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Patricia, I believe 6565 is Crusader.
6561 might say "striped sport" etc, and 6562 might be "3675 sported" but I'm not certain.
Vegetable garden looks right (that had me stumped because I was thinking of a name) but I think it says "good red veg gdn".
The entries where he has put something which you thought might be 'Duchesse d'Auerstadt' I notice are the numbers he has repeated a little further down the list and I think it is more likely to be some sort of abbreviated annotation to indicate such an additional entry, but I can't discern exactly what.
I believe you are right with 'Stella'. It's interesting that was the parent of one of his very first roses 'Ruby Ring' and that he was still using it decades later.
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