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Discussion id : 149-857
most recent 30 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 30 AUG by joys of life
Is this zepherine drouhin?
I moved into my house (built ca. 1930) 3 years ago, and this rose was here. Zone 6b. It’s in partial shade. Completely thornless upright canes. I let her grow and she’s over 8 feet tall. Glossy leaves. It blooms in flushes, one spring one fall with a few random flowers in between. It mostly has single upright blooms but there have been a few stems carrying 2 blooms. Double flowers with a mild spicy tea scent. Red stamens with golden pollen, and pointed buds of deep pink that open lighter and fade to light pink. The blooms last about 4 days. It may have mosaic virus as some of the leaves are mottled with a light yellow color. (Would that effect how the blooms look?) Thanks for your time!
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 30 AUG by Jay-Jay
Doesn't look like Zéphirine Drouhin to me. Stamens do not match, the bud either. Nor is the foliage that glossy.
However, I do not know which rose this is or could be.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 30 AUG by joys of life
Thank you for the info!
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Discussion id : 149-449
most recent 19 AUG SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 13 AUG by Karena
Hello! I am trying to identify the pink rose inside the boxwood hedges. I've looked tirelessly for this rose but can't find it. I love the upright and also arching/drooping/reaching canes, the bouquet-like flower clusters, the somewhat untidy and airy fullness, and the height of perhaps 4 feet (compared to the appx. 1-foot hedge?). Thanks so much!
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Reply #1 of 17 posted 13 AUG by Robert Neil Rippetoe
First guess 'Nathalie Nypels'.
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Reply #2 of 17 posted 13 AUG by Karena
Thank you, Robert. 'Nathalie Nypels' is one I haven't seen before and I will look more into it. I notice the height is only 2 feet, however, according to David Austin's website.
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Reply #3 of 17 posted 13 AUG by Marlorena
Which garden is this in please? which country?..
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Reply #7 of 17 posted 14 AUG by Karena
It is a Getty image and I am thinking it is located in Europe. I've contacted them but the photographer had no information on it.
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Reply #10 of 17 posted 14 AUG by Marlorena
I did think it was a European garden, possibly in the UK..

My first guess on the pink rose was 'Bonica'.. which is found a lot in gardens here due to its continuous bloom habit and disease resistance.. it also has a floppy habit..

I think the red in the background might be 'F.J. Grootendoorst'..
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Reply #11 of 17 posted 15 AUG by scvirginia
I agree that it looks like 'Bonica'.
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Reply #13 of 17 posted 15 AUG by Karena
Thank you, Malorena! When you say you have a lot of Bonica here, where are you located? Also, I am interested in the floppy habit you describe. I was told before that it has a more rigid than this picture, as well as fully flush with flower clusters versus the sporadic bouquets with more greenery in the picture. Thank you.
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Reply #14 of 17 posted 16 AUG by Marlorena
I'm in England. 'Bonica' is a great rose here, very healthy too. I have seen it as a climber to 10 feet on a wall, but usually free standing it forms a floppy shrub as in your picture. I grew it here for some years.
I'll see if I can post pictures. I had to tie it back to a fence, and put stakes in to stop it flopping as it's a narrow border.
I zoomed in on your picture to compare, and I think the foliage looks very similar too.

2 photos of 'Bonica' in my garden.
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Reply #15 of 17 posted 19 AUG by Karena
Thank you, Malorena. So beautiful and very similar!
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Reply #17 of 17 posted 19 AUG by Karena
Any other guesses, Mr Rippetoe? David Austin does not think it's one of theirs, and another post here suggested Bonica.
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Reply #4 of 17 posted 13 AUG by Lee H.
That photo is of the Los Angeles Rose Garden in Pasadena, according to the landscape architect, but the only clue is that they are David Austin cultivars. Perhaps someone who lives close by could tell you.

Good eye, Mr Rippetoe!
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Reply #5 of 17 posted 13 AUG by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Ah. I was guessing Europe. Too many Austins to venture a guess.
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Reply #6 of 17 posted 13 AUG by Lee H.
Oh, I see. I thought is was an actual DA cultivar based on what the OP said. Much older than that.
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Reply #9 of 17 posted 14 AUG by Karena
The Pasadena landscaper was only using this as a marketing item, so it is not his work. He lists it as a David Austin rose but that was his guess only. David Austin's customer service, after looking at the photo, does not believe it's one of theirs! The original photo is a Getty image.
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Reply #8 of 17 posted 14 AUG by Karena
The Pasadena landscaper was only using this as a marketing item, so it is not his work. He lists it as a David Austin rose but that was his guess only. David Austin's customer service, after looking at the photo, does not believe it's one of theirs! The original photo is a Getty image.
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Reply #12 of 17 posted 15 AUG by Lee H.
That seems a rather deceptive practice by the landscaper! But I must give you credit for persistence.
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Reply #16 of 17 posted 19 AUG by Karena
Thank you, and I agree! However, the picture is found so many places around the internet!
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Discussion id : 149-103
most recent 9 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 8 AUG by Juniper83
I am on Gotland, a very historic island in Sweden, and would love help identifying this rose. It's growing by the gates of a farm that dates probably to the 1500's, but the buildings are from the mid 1800's. It's about 1,5m tall, could be a shrub or a small climber, has clusters of deep pink flowers that are magnificent. I only was able to photograph it when the blooms are now fading, but considering it's August, it must mean it's a repeat flowering kind (all the old roses stop blooming after June here normally). Any idea of what it might be?
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 8 AUG by Margaret Furness
If you go back into your post, you'll find an Add Photos button has appeared. Photos of leaves and a side view of prickles, and of buds and hips if there are any, could be useful, as well as the flower photos.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 8 AUG by Juniper83
Thank you! I tried uploading multiple photos in the same go, which didn't work, but it finally worked now when I did one by one. Crossing fingers that someone can help identify this, can get more detailed photos if need be.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 8 AUG by Nastarana
Is there not an old rose project ongoing in Sweden, attempting to catalogue and if possible, ID Swedish found roses? I am afraid I don't have contact information but maybe an internet search would yield something?

Can you find out how long the rose has grown in its' present location? Were the Geschwind roses sold in Sweden? If so, you could try comparing with published pictures and descriptions.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 9 AUG by Margaret Furness
The suggestion of contacting the Swedish Heritage Roses group about their project is a good one.
I'm not good at identifying most roses, but yours reminds me of an Australian foundling, "Hawthorndene Tennis Court South Rambler", which may be Paul Ploton. It can have a second flowering.
I agree with Nastarana's implication, that yours does grow like a rambler.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 9 AUG by Juniper83
Thank you very much for your responses, those are all really good questions and give me many ways to move forward. I will investigate whether there is such an initiative in Sweden, I'd imagine that there is at least some sort of information online about it. I'll of course try and ask the owner of the house. Thank you very much again, will update when I have an update!
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 9 AUG by jedmar
Many OGRs were found in Gotland and are described in the book "Rosarvet i Nationella genbanken". The contact at POM is helena.m.persson at slu.se. She can direct you to the rose expert involved in Gotland, namely Rolf Engström.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 9 AUG by Juniper83
Oh, fabulous - thank you very much, that's incredibly useful. The book looks fantastic, and I will contact Helena. Thanks again!
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Discussion id : 146-102
most recent 12 JUN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 JUN by pps
Rosa x centifolia L. is dominant in its parentage: fully double, tight ruffle of petals, light green button-eye, well fragrant, arching stems, pinnate leaves of 5 or 7 leaflets. But which descendant is it?

In my garden the height is 185 cm. The width would be 200 to 250 cm if I would not prune, as heavy blossoms pull down the slender arching stems to the ground.
Stems are full of thorns, almost like a Rosa rugosa.
Bloom diameter is 8 cm, flat cups when fully open, symmetrically organized. Some, but not all blossoms look clearly quartered. The worst of all my roses in terms of self-cleaning.
7 or 5 leaflets. Mature foliage dark green, matte, elongated oval, grained surface, small tip, medium to fine serration. Young foliage light yellow-green, strongly folded upwards along the center vein.
In my clay-heavy garden free of black spot and powdery mildew, but strongly attracting aphids. I am spraying neem oil every second day or heavily sucked buds rot before opening.
Grafted on a rootstock that strongly sprouts shoots with almost no thorns.

Blooms of 'Thalie la Gentille', 'Belle sans Flatterie' and 'Fantin Latour' look much alike. But 'Thalie la Gentille' and 'Belle sans Flatterie' are documented with a max. height of 120 cm while my rose reaches 185 cm. 'Fantin Latour' on the other hand id documented to reach 200 to 300 cm, higher than my mature 185 cm rose.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 12 JUN by Patricia Routley
A photo would help.
Is it anything like "Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)”?
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 12 JUN by pps
Hi Patricia,

Only now I could upload one photo. Sorry!

Comparing with the photos you uploaded, my rose has much more thorns on the stems. Also the flower colors may differ. Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)' pink color appears slightly more lilac. Mine is straight pink.
The Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS) description says "Blue-green, edged purple-red foliage". Mine has no purple-red in the foliage at any time in the year, but slightly yellowish mid green turning darker blueish green.
Mrs. Something (Q'ld. AUS)' "Height: 8' (245cm)" is also taller. My rose is 185 cm tall and mature since 20+ years.
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