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Initial post 2 days ago by Bug_girl
How big does Hot Salsa get?
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Discussion id : 166-528
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Initial post 3 days ago by Seaside Rooftop
One year review:
This has been a good rose here so far. I was a bit sad to see the 1888 reference call it "worthless". Perhaps they say that because the foliage is barely rugose?
It handles the heat very well for a rugosa. No disease here. Fragrance is very good. It bloomed in three good flushes last year. Vigor is good, and it doesn't mind a good hard prune, so looks like it can be kept a manageable size. Hasn't set any hips here.
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Initial post 3 days ago by odinthor
Hugo Tepelmann would have been only ten years old when this rose was introduced. It is by the rose-loving rector R. Tepelmann, active by 1890 (see, for instance, Rosen-Zeitung, vol. 5, 1890, p. 79), who was Hugo's father.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 days ago by jedmar
Rose reassigned, thank you!
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Discussion id : 166-524
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Initial post 3 days ago by odinthor
It appears that the original name of this rose was 'Dean Hole', duly published, and had the name before the other 'Dean Hole' by Dickson. The following is a comment by the editor/editorial staff of American Gardening:

"A Flagrant Wrong. But let us draw attention to an entirely different case, one that is so contemptibly mean as to deserve to be fully exposed. In the autumn of 1894, that distinguished rosarian, Dean Hole, of Rochester, England, paid a visit to our country, when it will be remembered, at the instance of John N. May and others, a complimentary dinner was tendered the venerable Dean in this city on Nov. 14. A very distinguished company gathered to honor the great rosarian [...]. As fortune would have it the beautiful Rose Caroline Testout had seen fit to produce a distinct sport which flowered in time for that auspicious occasion, John H. Taylor, Bayside, L.I., being the possessor. Naturally enough he brings the new arrival to the dinner where it was much admired and highly spokenof as a real, genuine American Rose. It must be 'christened,' of course, and what more fitting than its being named for the guest of the evening. The Dean having formally acceded to the expressed desire, Mr. Taylor is delighted and with much ceremony his Rose is satisfactorily christened Dean Hole, its sponsors being the company present. The press reports the following week announced all the foregoing and thus by publication, the name Dean Hole is inseparably connected with this delicate blush pink Rose, the sport from Caroline Testout which originated in America. In the October of the following year, Dean Hole flowers again and is publicly exhibited at an exhibition given in Madison Square Garden under the auspices of the American Institute. Competent judges examine it and declare it worthy of a certificate, due entry was made of this and again does the press make record of the name. Also in several foreign publications the name became duly registered. Mr. Taylor duly received and accepted the certificate. Many times after this the name has been seen in public print, and moreover in the following October (1897) a vase of Dean Hole was shown at a similar exhibition in the same place and under the same management when a medal was awarded the Rose Dean Hole which like the previously awarded certificate was accepted by Mr. Taylor.

"One day in the month of May Admiral Dewey saw fit to exterminate a Spanish fleet in Manila Bay, and at once becomes the most famous man on this continent. An enterprising flower dealer has blooms of Dean Hole to sell, but concludes that the name is a poor one under the circumstances. A Hole is a good place to bury the Spanish, and as Dewey caused some funerals, he dubs the flower Admiral Dewey. This was an informal christening, or rather, baptism; just enough to give a name in case of sudden demise. This much christened individual is next seen in a Boston show, but not looking its best the judges awarded Admiral Dewey an Honorable Mention. This was hardly enough, in fact it was more like a wake than a christening, so the much named infant of three years was hauled up before the New York Florists' Club on Monday evening, November 14, to be again rechristened Admiral Dewey. Simultaneously with this award appears an announcement from the S.A.F. and O.H. that the new Rose Admiral Dewey has been duly registered. What then becomes of the name of Dean Hole. Is it to be supposed that it is on the market to be used by anyone so wishing, or will the principle of 'once a synonym always a syonym' prevail. Let us hope that the brave sailor's floral honor will not be as evanescent as that of the priest, so that his name shall be smothered by a turn of the wheel of events," American Gardening, vol. 19, 1898, p. 810.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 2 days ago by Lee H.
It's like reading a 19th century rose gossip column!
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 2 days ago by odinthor
Yes, the vivaciousness of the writing made me smile a pleasured smile!
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 days ago by jedmar
Reference and synonym added, thank you!
Good & Reese seem to have launched a crimson 'Admiral Dewey' also in 1899, but discontinued it by 1900 in favour of John H. Taylor's rose. Was it perchance reissued under a different name?
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