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Alister Clark exhibited a rose named 'Lady Rhodes' at the National Rose Society of Victoria's spring show in 1926 seven years before it was introduced into commerce in 1933. Lady Rhodes herself died in 1929. The rose exhibited in 1926 was described in The Australasian simply as "pink". The rose introduced in 1933 suggests a red to reddish pink. Although they are probably the same rose, the odd posthumous introduction makes me wonder if perhaps another rose other than the 1926 one was introduced as 'Lady Rhodes' in 1933.
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This is such a glorious rose! I wish there was a source for it. Paul Barden why isn't this for sale?!?
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Hello there. Just thought I would add a comment and upload photos of our Park’s Yellow in commerce as that is into its second season in France lower Cévennes zone 8b ish. It was purchased and planted in November 2022 from Loubert as a bare-root assumed grafted onto Laxa. It is currently the most floriferous Rose variety in our gardens and has produced three new shoots around a metre long and the foliage shows not the slightest sign of disease especially black spot which almost all the varieties have to some degree at this time.
There are eight buds and seven open flowers, only the two principal canes appear to have prickles. The flowers are as described here and the scent is definitely strongly citrus- citrus tea. The flower also ressembles Fée Opale; Margaret Furness mentioned this variety to me in previous correspondence when I incorrectly stated that our Parks’ appeared sans prickles. It is non remontant.
PS I read that Parks discovered the original in China along with Banksiae Lutea in 1823/24 so if that is the case is there not a possibility that it could be found again - rediscovered in and around that same area, if the approximate location is known? Just a thought. Excusing myself in advance and putting protective hat on if that has already been explored previously with no positive outcome.
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#1 of 4 posted
yesterday by
 jedmar
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Parks supposedly bought this tea rose at the Fa Tee nursery in Canton, so it was not collected in the wild. Fa Tee is known to have brought together plants for sale to the crazy Westerners. The Chinese origin of the rose is thus unknown. Several contenders have been forwarded to be the original Park's Yellow, but I suppose it neeeds DNA analysis of known descendants to be able to make a better guess.
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Jedmar thank you for that information. I was just thinking out loud that if the original has been lost in Europe for quite some time then surely somewhere in SE China this variety could be growing not only in the ‘wild’ but private and public gardens? Am I being too simplistic? Today, are there many passionate growers of roses in that area like there are in Europe The US and Australia?
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Your photos look like a good match for others on the hmf page.
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#4 of 4 posted
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jedmar
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Yes, I have Loubert's Parks (bought as Rosa odorata ochtoleuca) - it is identical to the others disseminated by Beales.
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Guildford Nurseries, Ethel Street, Guildford, was owned by Charles Rhodes. (see 1939 advertisement photo uploaded today in “Red Ethel”. )
It is feasible that they may have stocked Alister Clark’s ‘Lady Rhodes’ <1933 rose. Does anybody have access to any of Guildford Nurseries catalogues?
‘Lady Rhodes’ was said to be of moderate height, short stems, and a lasting bloom.
However, the colour was said to be “between red and pink” and “scarlet, passing to crimson carmine” with 60 petals.
How many petals does “Red Ethel" have?
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HubertG
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A quick look at Trove says that he was also Mayor of Guildford and was involved in judging rose exhibitions. One article mentions that 'Billy Boiler' grew at the nursery so it's very likely that he sold other Clark roses. I'm wondering if he might have been family to Mrs. Clark.
From the Perth 'Mirror' 7 June 1930 page 5:
"Roses there are by the hundred from the old time Gloir de Dijon and Marechal Ney [sic] to the new and perhaps more fashionable varieties. There is a grand new scarlet rose, Billy Boiler, which flowers all the year round. But space forbids telling of all the horticultural wonders."
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Thanks HubertG.
Alister Clark was born in 1864, so any contemporary may have been Charles Rhodes Sr.
Charles Cecil Rhodes born c1898. was the nursery owner.
His mother's name was Frances Rhodes and it was his father, also Charles Rhodes who was the Mayor. The family's address was 7 Olive Street, Guildford.
From the website Guildfordanzacs:
Rhodes became a noted horticulturalist in WA . He later developed extensive commercial rose gardens in Ethel Street and and another nursery in Market Street, Guildford. Rhodes wrote articles for the West Australian and was noted rosarian. C.C. Rhodes' father was a noted civic figure and was a Mayor of Guildford.
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You can visit the property 'Otahuna' owned by Alister Clark's brother-in-law in the south island of NZ (where I stranded a hire car on a rock - Patricia would remember the Heritage Rose roadtrip in the region).
(Edited to remove an error.)
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With great clarity Margaret. I recall swearing OUT ALOUD when you hit the rock and I was sitting in the back with Milton Nurse.
I think I have found a births/deaths/ marriages connection to Arthur Rhodes who was Alister Clark's brother-in-law. (brother to Edith Clark (nee Rhodes) and the lawyer for the Clark family.
However, it is my first time at this stuff and I am getting bamboozled a bit. Take the following with some salt for the moment.
Arthur RHODES married
Annie Elizabeth JOY
Their child was
Annie Elizabeth RHODES (c1868-1936) aged 68 who died in Middle Swan, W.A.
Charles Rhodes [Sr,] (c1898-1948) married
Frances ….. (....-1953).
Their child was:
Charles Cecil Rhodes [Jr.] (c1898-1987) aged 89. Died at Boya, W.A.
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Looking at 'The Women behind the Roses', by the Govanstones (Rosenberg 2010).
Arthur Heaton Rhodes and Sophia Circuit Rhodes of 'Elmwood', Christchurch, NZ had 6 children.
Edith Rhodes married Alister Clark in 1888.
Heaton Rhodes married Alister's sister Jessie Clark.
The contemporary baritone Teddy Tahu Rhodes may come from a different line, as his ancestors added the name Tahu (a Maori word meaning 'to set on fire') to theirs soon after arrival in NZ (early 1840s). But someone more competent in tracing families is welcome to correct me.
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#6 of 6 posted
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HubertG
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Regarding any possible connection between Mrs Clark and Charles Rhodes - both trees seem to have been fairly well researched and are online and although both their Rhodes lines ultimately go back to Yorkshire, I can't see any connection between the two families going back to the early 18th century at least.
Charles Rhodes (1874 -1948) was a Fellow of the Royal Horticultural Society according to the newspapers, so considering that and his surname it's still possible that Alister Clark knew of him, and it would be nice to think that he sent roses over to him. Upon being appointed Mayor of Guildford in 1921 Charles Rhodes tendered his resignation as inspector for the Agricultural Department of the Swan district. Both he and his son Charles Cecil Rhodes are listed as "Nurseryman"at the same address in the 1931 Swan Electoral roll.
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