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Initial post 25 MAY 18 by MarthadeJong
I've got a lovely rose in my garden and I'd like to know what it is.
It's got a slightly wild/bushy growth and white flowers with a lovely fragrance. The buds have a very faint hint of pink which disappears after the flower opens.
I'm in the Netherlands, that might narrow down the options a bit (I hope).
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 25 MAY 18 by Nastarana
Does it repeat bloom?

Have you any notion how old it might be? How long it might have been in your yard?

Would you be able to post a photo of an unopened bud? I would like to see how long the sepals are.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 25 MAY 18 by Andrew from Dolton
It looks a little bit like 'Alba Maxima'.
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 25 MAY 18 by MarthadeJong
Thanks! I've just looked up Alba Maxima and it does look a lot like it!
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 25 MAY 18 by MarthadeJong
It blooms once, generally May-June
I don't know how old it is. I've seen photo's from 2008, it was a reasonable size then. The rose was completely cut down shortly before I moved in (2010) but luckily has made a good come back since then. It's now larger than in 2008. But who knows, it may have been cut down before.
I hope the photo's will help!
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 26 MAY 18 by Nastarana
I am going to guess 'Alba Suavolens' which has a few less petals than Maxima and a few more than Semi-plena.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 26 MAY 18 by MarthadeJong
Thank you :-)
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 27 MAY 18 by Ozoldroser
Thank you Nasturana for that comment of differences as I am supposed to have 'Alba semi-plena' and 'Alba Suavolens'. I will check out IF there are any differences next spring
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 27 MAY 18 by Patricia Routley
I too am grateful Nastarana. I have long been unsure about my white alba and after your comment this morning I looked a little at:
Maxima. Double <1500. HMF page 106
R. Alba semi plena semi double. <1629. HMF page 109
R. Alba suaveolens Semi double. <1750. HMF page 110. I did note a photo of almost round hips.
R. Alba flore simplici single. <1597. HMF page 18187

Then I started to note ones with a light pink center like
R. Alba regalis Double. <1799. HMF page 59614
R. Alba incarnata HMF page 4071
.......and many others. After scribbling down so many names, I thought it was all a little beyond me. But I do thank you.
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 27 MAY 18 by Nastarana
R. alba semiplena, maxima, suavalons and possibly foliacea are generally believed to all be members of the same sport family, with the sport parent being most likely maxima or semi-plena. Bushes and foliage are identical, with there being small variations in the flowers.

An alleged "White Rose of York" , which is white and single, surfaced towards the end of the last century, from Beals if I remember correctly; that might be flore simplici. The pictures by anonymous 19 of flore simplici look like semi-plena to me, but one would want to see them growing together.

A lot of the pink albas seem to be variations, not quite sports, of Great Maiden's Blush, which seems to vary with climate and soil somewhat like hydrangeas do.

Vintage Gardens was at one time reporting that semi-plena and maxima were showing some repeat bloom in CA. Has and such repeat been seen in Australia?
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 27 MAY 18 by Andrew from Dolton
In a few days time when they are in flower I will post some photographs of what I grow as 'Alba Maxima' and 'Alba Semi-Plena'. The 'Alba Maxima' I found growing in an old cottage garden, where it grows 5M up into a tree. The owners never knew it was there! I'm working there on Thursday, I'll post some photographs of this rose too. I'm inclined to agree with Nastarana that it is 'Alba Suavolens'.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 28 MAY 18 by MarthadeJong
Thank you all! This is very interesting. I'm looking forward to the photo's
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 29 MAY 18 by Nastarana
'Alba Suaveolens' is being offered this year by High Country Roses in Denver.

http://www.highcountryroses.com/alba-suaveolens You can examine their picture for comparison.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 29 MAY 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Some alba roses being sold in the U.K.

https://www.trevorwhiteroses.co.uk/product-category/alba-roses/
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 7 JUN 18 by Andrew from Dolton
This is the original plant I took my sucker from, growing 5M up into a tree!
A close-up of the flower.
What I grow as 'Alba Semi-Plena'.
The two for comparison, they both start off very pale pink in bud but 'Alba Maxima' (assuming that is what it is), retains a little of the pink colour as it matures.
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