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Initial post 30 JUN 18 by Andrew from Dolton
What is this?
This rose grows all over my village in Devon. I also found it in the remains of a garden of a derelict mill where it must have been growing for a least 60 years. I thought it might have been 'Turner's Crimson', but it isn't. In Roger's Phillips rose book it looks quite like 'Purpurtram', but it doesn't look like the pictures in that profile on HMF. The flowers are darker and foliage paler and less glossy than 'Excelsa'.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 30 JUN 18 by Margaret Furness
Would Excelsa fit?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 30 JUN 18 by Andrew from Dolton
It is close, but this rose has less glossy, paler and more pointed leaves, closer to Rosa multiflora. The flowers are darker, almost slightly purplish as the finish.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 30 JUN 18 by Patricia Routley
Why do you think it isn't 'Turner's Crimson Rambler' Andrew?
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 1 JUL 18 by Andrew from Dolton
I discounted that because I didn't think it would grow that well in our climate here. It definately can survive neglect. But looking at the 'Turner's Crimson' profile I think you're right (again!).

The rose growing near the wall was hacked back by the house owner every autumn and hardly flowered. I got so frustrated about this that last year I knocked on the lady's door one day and said, "WILL YOU PLEASE STOP PRUNING THAT ROSE!" Which she did, and was amazed this year at how well it flowered!
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