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Initial post 27 DEC 17 by JJS
Some corrections to my earlier comment:

I really don't understand this entry:

"According to Modern Roses 10, Ayrshire is a parent of 'Ayrshire Queen', which see. Ayrshire Rose represents a group composed of hybrids of R. arvensis, possibly with R. setigera or R. sempervirens. The original rose was grown from North American seeds around 1769."

1. As Lindley (1820) already points out wryly : The Ayrshire rose was not grown from North American seeds.

2. Ayreshire is not a parent of Ayrshire Queen (Thomas Rivers, 1835): the mother plant is Blush Ayrshire. Ayrshire Queen doesn't exist anymore though, its name is now sometimes used for Ayrshire splendens.

3. Why is Ayrshire Rose described as a group of roses? That doesn't really fit the format of HMF, where every single rose has its own description.

4. Where does R. setigera fits in? Who invented this?

I have before signaled (see Ayrshire splendens) that the treatment of the Ayrshire roses at HMF is somewhat of a mess. It would be nice if mistakes would be corrected.. For example, still photos of Ayrshire splendens are not Ayrshire splendens at all.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 DEC 17 by jedmar
We are not botanists and only reflect published Information. When there is a new study on Ayrshire Roses, we will gladly add it to the references. The answers to your other questions you can find in the References. It seems that Lindley was repudiated by Sabine already in 1822. Personally, I think Lindley was a great simplifier, and many of his comments are outdated.
You can se that we list 'Ayrshire Queen' (in commerce) distinct from 'Ayrshire Queen' of Rivers. The former is not (yet) merged with 'Ayrshire Splendens' as again a proper comparison is missing. Much room for studies!
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