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Initial post 2 FEB 10 by marianne
I am very confused. I thought that when I signed up for this service that I would be able to search for particular roses by category. However, when I search for a White rose, I pull up hundereds of roses in many different colors other than white. How can I tailor this search so that I only look at roses that are the color I am interested in? Thanks
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 2 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
You want to use the ADVANCED SEARCH as that allows you to limit your search with multiple criteria. It's very powerful and as such one needs to invest a minute or two reading the instructions (click red HELP button) to use it to its full potential.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 3 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
Please let us know how you make out.
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by marianne
This is still not working.
Using Advanced Search, I select "White" and I get s list of roses of many other colors. Choosing other colors, such as "red" seems to narrow the search to that color, however. In other wrods, Advanced Search seems to work for finding roses of other colors, but not White. How can I see a list of JUST white roses?
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by Sarah
I think I follow what marianne is saying. If you chose specifically "White" (not "White (Any White)"), it pulls up flowers that are not solid white. Such as: anything that has "white eye" or "white reverse" or "ages to white" in the color description, some of the white blends...
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
yes, that should not be the case. We'll take a look. Thanks for the feedback Sarah.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
Selecting "ANY WHITE" will show plants with any white in them including white center, aging to white, etc.

Selecting "White" should just include plants which are designated as white. That was not the case and it has been corrected.

Please confirm and thanks for taking the time to report this error.
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by marianne
Well, it seems like the proportion of white roses is higher now, but even on the first page there are several pictures/descriptions that do not appear to be white at all.
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
That is not what we are seeing. We'll need to exactly replicate your search.

Please tell us the exact search criteria you used and an example of a rose you think should not be included on the list.
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by marianne
Under Advanced Search, I picked Color, then White (not ANY white). Then I hit search.
The second rose that shows up from the top is numbered 281-94-04, and is described as a floribunda that is cream/orange/red stripes. The picture looks like it is red and white striped.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
This is a plant specific case of the breeder giving a description that differs from the color attributes assigned. The color attributes have been corrected for this rose.

Do you see any others ?
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by Sarah
American Pillar still shows up.

In my opinion, there also still seem to be a lot that might be better in the "white blend" category - lots of "White, pink shading" or "White, blush shading" or "White, pink edges". The photos for many of these show colored roses with white-ish bits more than white roses with some color. Agatha Incarnata is a good example of this.
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
American Pillar is a good example. It's coded as white AND pink so it should not be included in the "white" search - we can fix that.

On the other hand we have roses coded as white TO pink meaning it can vary and these should be included as they often may be white.

"Ages" to white is middle of the road; some would want that considered a white rose and others likely would not.

We're open to comments and suggestions.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 4 FEB 10 by Sarah
The difficulty in categorizing the range of colorsis why I said "in my opinion". :) I can definitely see where, say, the "with pink edges" ones would be white in the right conditions.

The reason I questioned Agatha Incarnata is because every picture is pink, some with lighter edges - it doesn't seem to deserve being called "white" at all. I questioned Alba Incarnata at first too, but that one has pictures that show the near-white coloration, even if that's not the majority.
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 5 FEB 10 by HMF Admin
Yes, but that's a different issue all together. The correct color coding of an individual plant vs the advanced search working properly.

This whole issue did bring to light the inability of the advanced search to explicitly single out solid color plants. For example, one should be able to list plants which are all white and nothing else. We plan to address this shortcoming.
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